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Granted if you guys are man enough not to bring your guns and other assorted weapons.
Sorry. The people of the south are "combat progressives"
They chose to fight with highly efficient modern weaponry rather than like a bunch of uncivilized animals using their fists and teeth.
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Sorry. The people of the south are "combat progressives"
They chose to fight with highly efficient modern weaponry rather than like a bunch of uncivilized animals using their fists and teeth.
Combat civil? Whole sale killing with modern weapons civil? Efficient weapons? That have collateral damage?
Interesting view of what it and what is not uncivilized in this world.
At least with my way of fighting most of you get to live. Just your pride gets hurt. And there's not collateral damage. Who wants to fight shows up and the meek stay home.
Guess the redstater crew afraid to have a man to man woman to woman throwdown with a bunch of weak kneed, socialist, bluestaters.
Oh well. If you guys are just going to bomb us and stay out of arms length. I just IM you my address and you can drop it there. Because I rather be dead then to live under red state rule.
I've been discussing this stuff for several decades--(and written a few posts on this forum in recent months)--I honestly can't imagine anything approaching a "Civil War". In the first place, there are no places that would be obvious "home territories" for either side. There is entirely too much apathy on ALL sides to even come close to a 'war'. No one would show up !
What I DO see, and it concerns me greatly, is a MORAL collapse--and a resultant disintegration..say, in the next 80 or 100 years. This, if it happens, will open the door to our being dominated and reduced to "third world" status by some hungrier, more focused, less self-centered, less guilt-ridden party--(right now, this looks like China--but in 100 years, who can say ?)
The "moral collapse" I see is more than just a collapse of traditional "family values"--traditional religion and sexual morals, etc., are well on their way out as we speak. I'm referring more to a collapse of our national purpose, and a cultural collapse. We see this already happening. Americans no longer "like" each other very much. We can no longer agree on right or wrong, or what an "American" really even IS, anymore. The "illegal immigration" forum is a true fiasco- Americans bitterly arguing over an issue that should be a no-brainer. The bitterness in politics is truly a tragedy--- cheap, mudslinging, empty "sound bites", tailored to the intellect of a 12-year old, take the place of intelligent discourse. We don't have the focus or attention span for anything more. We certainly wouldn't THINK of expecting our politicians to be honest. They're politicians, we feel, and we'd be STUPID to trust them....yet these are the people who have our fate in their hands.
I blame it mostly on the fact we no longer believe in anything beyond ourselves. We won't accept any moral system other than our own personal one....which obviously clashes with the NEXT guy's. We ask nothing of our citizens, our immigrants, or even our ILLEGALS---no thanks, no civic responsibilities, no respect....NONE of that is required. Be a citizen if you want to--if not, that's OK, too. No compulsory military service--we can barely get people to show up for JURY DUTY. We can't even "make" high-school students dress properly, and no one even expects them to anymore. They might "get mad at us" if we tried.
Multiculturalism has led us to believe that "ALL cultures are equivalent"....sounds nice, but if ALL are equivalent, then none are "better"--and therefore nothing is worth striving for. No more judgements, no standards, no more "bad"---it's 'all good' now. The result (as we're beginning to see) is there will be no more consensus on ANYTHING, and at some future time, America will no longer be united on ANYTHING, but will simply be a varied collection of 5, 10, or more mutually-hostile cultures, each of them disliking and distrusting the others, and no one in "charge".
In view of the above, I picture the day when someone who IS still dedicated to something (like their OWN nation---or their OWN culture) will find us "easy prey". America won't cease to exist---it is far too valuable a piece of real estate for that. But someone ELSE will be in charge, and will be calling the shots. They'll be "the boss". America will go on, as a leaner, meaner, harsher, and much less free society, and history will judge us very harshly--as the once great nation who "lost it all", not by invaders or wars, but by its own people simply giving up on themselves and "giving it all away". We won't get much sympathy, I'm afraid. More like pity and disgust.
Always trying to give you reps, macmeal, but not allowed! You said it all in the proverbial "nutshell". No more anyone could add that will make it more perfectly stated.
Combat civil? Whole sale killing with modern weapons civil? Efficient weapons? That have collateral damage?
Interesting view of what it and what is not uncivilized in this world.
At least with my way of fighting most of you get to live. Just your pride gets hurt. And there's not collateral damage. Who wants to fight shows up and the meek stay home.
Guess the redstater crew afraid to have a man to man woman to woman throwdown with a bunch of weak kneed, socialist, bluestaters.
Oh well. If you guys are just going to bomb us and stay out of arms length. I just IM you my address and you can drop it there. Because I rather be dead then to live under red state rule.
Those the beat their swords into plowshares...plow for those that didn't...
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Those the beat their swords into plowshares...plow for those that didn't...
Good answer. But it just as easy to beat the plowshares back into swords of bullets now-a-days. Look at our current situation in Iraq and look back at Vietnam. You can bomb and perhaps even occupy a land. But that doesn't mean you have true control of the people. That whole heart and mind concept comes up. And to be honest most the red state philosophy is rather repugnant to blue stater in my area. Well except for the government having fiscal responsibility. But you can't win our hearts and you can't change most of our minds. And enslavement as a couple poster hinted at is not going to happen. Have you forgotten Lexington/Concord and the shot heard round the world? We haven't.
Look while I realize that the poster said that the people of the blue states would be whipped by the people of the red states posted their post more in jest. But what I'm bother is the underpinning logic and the consistency of the train of thought that produces those types of jests. Basically from what I get from the reasoning is that people of the blue states and especially of the Northeast are spineless weaklings with no moral character. Well I have to regretfully to inform your wrong. We New Englanders for all our liberal politics (which I don't necessarily agree with all the time) Are some of the most industrious, pious, committed, and loyal people on this planet. Does the rest of the country really think my people will lay down like dogs if invaded? Well I guess you can think that. But basically your repeating the mistake of thinking of the "Cake Walk Scenario" that we had when we first when into Iraq. Look how that turned out. Not so easy is it.
One last thing. I can't claim to know what the people of NYC (In the blue state category) are thinking and/or feeling after 9/11. But since I have had to move just outside of NYC because of my long term girlfriends job. I have made some observations while taking train into the world trade center and walking the streets of lower Manhattan. 1. I noticed that there is a determination of the people to not let the threat of terrorism change how they live. They are aware of the threat. Yes. But they are not scared. They just know it a fact of life now that terrorism could happen at anytime. 2. Those that were liberal before are still liberals and those that are still conservatives are still conservatives. Really nothing has changed. I don't see NYC and New York State going Majority Red anytime soon even though they were directly effected by 9/11. 3. For some reason Manhattan is one of the areas in the country where property Values are still rising. People from all over the world still wish to live and invest there. Even though NYC is still a huge target for terrorist. I guess the people in general that live and work there just exuded confidence that even if hit again life goes on and they will not be stopped progressing forward.
All in all I'd say the people of NYC got a strong spine and some hardcore values that the redstaters can't conqueror either.
Good answer. But it just as easy to beat the plowshares back into swords of bullets now-a-days. Look at our current situation in Iraq and look back at Vietnam. You can bomb and perhaps even occupy a land. But that doesn't mean you have true control of the people. That whole heart and mind concept comes up. And to be honest most the red state philosophy is rather repugnant to blue stater in my area. Well except for the government having fiscal responsibility. But you can't win our hearts and you can't change most of our minds. And enslavement as a couple poster hinted at is not going to happen. Have you forgotten Lexington/Concord and the shot heard round the world? We haven't.
Look while I realize that the poster said that the people of the blue states would be whipped by the people of the red states posted their post more in jest. But what I'm bother is the underpinning logic and the consistency of the train of thought that produces those types of jests. Basically from what I get from the reasoning is that people of the blue states and especially of the Northeast are spineless weaklings with no moral character. Well I have to regretfully to inform your wrong. We New Englanders for all our liberal politics (which I don't necessarily agree with all the time) Are some of the most industrious, pious, committed, and loyal people on this planet. Does the rest of the country really think my people will lay down like dogs if invaded? Well I guess you can think that. But basically your repeating the mistake of thinking of the "Cake Walk Scenario" that we had when we first when into Iraq. Look how that turned out. Not so easy is it.
One last thing. I can't claim to know what the people of NYC (In the blue state category) are thinking and/or feeling after 9/11. But since I have had to move just outside of NYC because of my long term girlfriends job. I have made some observations while taking train into the world trade center and walking the streets of lower Manhattan. 1. I noticed that there is a determination of the people to not let the threat of terrorism change how they live. They are aware of the threat. Yes. But they are not scared. They just know it a fact of life now that terrorism could happen at anytime. 2. Those that were liberal before are still liberals and those that are still conservatives are still conservatives. Really nothing has changed. I don't see NYC and New York State going Majority Red anytime soon even though they were directly effected by 9/11. 3. For some reason Manhattan is one of the areas in the country where property Values are still rising. People from all over the world still wish to live and invest there. Even though NYC is still a huge target for terrorist. I guess the people in general that live and work there just exuded confidence that even if hit again life goes on and they will not be stopped progressing forward.
All in all I'd say the people of NYC got a strong spine and some hardcore values that the redstaters can't conqueror either.
I wouldn't want to "conquer", "occupy", or "enslave" bluestaters. I want you to leave me alone. Stop forcing your "progressive" ideas on me. Stop stealing my money and giving it to deadbeats. Stop telling me how to raise my children. And so on.
In other words, just like our first "civil war" was not at true civil war, neither will the next one be. It won't be about two factions fighting for control of the country and for domination of the other side...it will be about one side having enough and wanting out, wanting to control our own destiny, wanting a clean break from the other side. A voluntary break would be preferable, of course, but if you won't let us go peacefully, we have the means and the will to to take our independence.
Ironic that you invoked the spirit of Concord and Lexington...that is exactly what the next "civil war" will be, but not in the sense that you stated...the role of the Minutemen will not be played by the left, but by the right.
So what are the top issues that divide the blue and red states? Abortion and gay rights? If so, I just don't see enough passionate interest in those two issues to bring about a civil war in the future. We're more likely to have a civil war over the ravages of a deep depression or over a legalized draft to send unwilling people to an unjust and unpopular war.
...a legalized draft to send unwilling people to an unjust and unpopular war.
Do you think there is a possibility that could be implemented?
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