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It was an analogy. I thought you understood those.
I'm more interested in Islam growing up. As long as we're "respecting their beliefs" and suppressing our beliefs, we're playing by their rules.
We are surrendering to evil, not just playing by their rules. I'm all for staying out of the ME, let them do their own little 9th century thing in their own homes. But they can keep their butchery and savagery to themselves, no reason to allow or cower to in in any civilized society.
I find it amazing how the "tolerant" "free speach" left are so willing to give up their rights in the face of vicious Islamic thugs. I have to wonder how they will react when fundamentalist Muslims start slaughtering gays in the west because they are offended and their superstition tells them to. It seems that they are far more likely to be willing to offend Christians with "art" that tosses a cross in a bucket of pee, than they are to offend savages that will slaughter you for a cartoon. Smart I guess, they only bully the ones who won't fight back.
I know. What exactly is analagous between a brownshirt beating someone to a pulp and an artist getting murdered by a jihadist?
So am I, and so are a lot of Muslims. Creating sensations by attracting jihadists is probably not an effective method at promoting adulthood in Islam.
We're talking about terrorists. I'm not concerned with anyone's beliefs or rules. I'm concerned with defeating them.
Creating sensation is what journalists/satirists do, but behind it, are beliefs and values as valid as any religion.
I'm not concerned with terrorism, but the belief that propels it. Terrorism is just the action, it's the belief that is the problem. ie - the brownshirt analogy.
Not really. As you describe below, spreading terrorist dogma and Nazi dogma are analogous, but I'm talking about making wise decisions while combatting the terrorists, not succumbing to terrorist dogma, so no, I don't see the analogy.
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Creating sensation is what journalists/satirists do, but behind it, are beliefs and values as valid as any religion.
And they have every right to do so, but there are possible consequences. Be aware of the consequences. Hell, do a sting operation to catch these jihadists, but just be aware that your life may be in danger.
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I'm not concerned with terrorism, but the belief that propels it. Terrorism is just the action, it's the belief that is the problem. ie - the brownshirt analogy.
Well, again, I don't see the comparison. These are religious extremists. Religious violence is pretty much a constant in the world. You're not going to eliminate religion, so we're stuck with that 'belief.' How religious violence compares to Hitler is beyond me.
Fundimentalist Islam is not compatible with any civilized society.
I agree but how do you distinguish between the fundamentalist and rational Muslim if you have millions in the country as France & Denmark have? There have just been too many random (Obama) attacks by Muslims for all of these attack to be coincidental.
Well, again, I don't see the comparison. These are religious extremists. Religious violence is pretty much a constant in the world. You're not going to eliminate religion, so we're stuck with that 'belief.' How religious violence compares to Hitler is beyond me.
Well of course you don't get it. You think there is no point challenging the belief, because nothing will change, and someone might get hurt. Sounds like a victory for religion.
Religious violence or ideological violence -there is no difference when you're dead.
Well of course you don't get it. You think there is no point challenging the belief, because nothing will change, and someone might get hurt.
No. I have no problem challenging dangerous beliefs. I just see it differently. Hitler was a dictatorial freak of nature, and as with other historical tyrants, he rose and he fell. Religion is a much different thing.
1 dead in Denmark in attack on artist who drew Mohammed.
Time to kick every last Muslim out of Europe.
Now watch how Muslims world-wide use this latest atrocity as an opportunity to promote their "Religion of Peace" and deny any connection between the Koran and normal, standard and usual (and not "extreme") muslim murderers.
I wasn't talking about Hitler, but Nazism. It could apply to any belief that responds to verbal attacks on doctrine, with violence.
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No. I have no problem challenging dangerous beliefs. I just see it differently. Hitler was a dictatorial freak of nature, and as with other historical tyrants, he rose and he fell. Religion is a much different thing.
What does it win?
Minds and power. What religion always seeks.
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