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Old 02-22-2015, 05:56 PM
 
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Originally Posted by southward bound View Post
Why not? if prohibition against pork is a practice that is allowed under freedom of religion, then why is prohibition against supporting gay marriage (by providing anything in support of it) not permitted as part of the individual's "practice" of their religion?

Not arguing, just askin'.

OK, if you don't like that -- here's another: How about a Muslim owner refusing to serve you because you are an apostate. You asked for pork, they know you eat pork, they can't even have you on the premises.
Because one is discrimination based on product, and one is discrimination based on a person's characteristics. The government can't force you to offer a product that isn't on your menu. But if you do offer a product (i.e. wedding cakes), you can't refuse to offer one based on the person buying it.

 
Old 02-22-2015, 06:12 PM
 
Location: Houston
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And? Why would I care if it does?.





Freedoms enshrined in the constitution have limits. When your freedoms deny other people rights then there is a problem.

You believe the right to have a cake overrides another's right of association, property rights and religious freedom? I guess we have to disagree.
 
Old 02-22-2015, 06:13 PM
 
Location: Houston
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How is a "Homosexual Wedding Cake" different from a "straight Wedding Cake"?
The dolls on top are of the same sex.
 
Old 02-22-2015, 06:14 PM
 
Location: Miami, FL
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Delivering the cake doll less would satisfy honor.
 
Old 02-22-2015, 06:15 PM
 
Location: Southern California
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The dolls on top are of the same sex.
And the sex is a little bit different.

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Old 02-22-2015, 06:18 PM
 
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Depends o states. Some allow refusal to serve anyone. Gays are not a protected class if that is the reason.
 
Old 02-22-2015, 06:20 PM
 
Location: Middle of nowhere
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The dolls on top are of the same sex.
What if there are no dolls on top at all?
Many cakes just have flowers, or the couples initials on top.
 
Old 02-22-2015, 06:20 PM
 
Location: Eastern Shore of Maryland
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Originally Posted by Simon Feltser View Post
About homosexuals and business

Just hypothetically...WITHOUT HATE SPEECH.
A same sex couple, Lenny & Bill (for example) are shopping around for caterers ( etc... ) for their up-coming wedding and they meet with one business geek who tells them that because he is a devout follower of the flying spaghetti monster, he can not do business with homosexuals. OK, so Lenny & Bill must go & find somebody who will do business with a homosexual couple. Now my take on all this is that there are LOTS of service businesses in existence and I'm certain that Lenny & Bill could find somebody who is willing to make the $$$ and not worry about any religious bias, and most people (I believe) would simply let it go and not hire a lawyer & make a big deal out of it. However some people insist on making a huge stink about it because they have been discriminated. Problem here is the fact that the LAW can never dictate the intent of anyone's heart. So why bother, If I were to run a bar, and put a sign in the door saying IRISH ONLY, and if you are not IRISH don't ask to be served here, you are not welcome.
And you could go to jail for putting up that sign and enforcing it. Its discrimination, and yep, I would hire a lawyer to teach you American Law. If your open for business, you have to treat all consumers on an equal basis. What your saying is OK, would be the same thing as putting up a sig and replacing the words with for Non-African Americans Only. Its illegal...
 
Old 02-22-2015, 06:24 PM
 
Location: Houston
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The government can't force you to offer a product that isn't on your menu.
Does that apply to the morning after abortion pill or birth control in general? Liberals on this forum argue that it does not.
 
Old 02-22-2015, 06:26 PM
 
Location: Houston
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If your open for business, you have to treat all consumers on an equal basis.
No, you do not. You can still keep ugly people out of your club.
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