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Old 03-09-2015, 05:37 PM
 
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"...then we’ll be able to make the case to the American people"

Doesn't mean there's going to be full disclosure. Just means something like, 'Hey you guys voted for me, here's the Iran deal.' Case closed. The pitch is that 'I'm the Prezzy', what I say goes. And that same old 47% that's going to vote for Obama regardless of stink in the tank are gonna jump up and down and YES! YES! YES! and get all glassy eyed. Then Prezzy is going to say, 'See them 'merikans want it bad so Congress has to sign on.'

Regardless of what Prezzy does or says, the day a new Prez takes over can be the day we bomb bomb bomb... bomb bomb Iran. If Israel has already erased them from the map. Which is a much better alternative.
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Old 03-09-2015, 05:50 PM
 
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This will make sure Iran signs no deal. Why would Iran sign a deal when the Republicans would just ignore it if they gained the Presidency? This will make them trying to build their nuclear capability faster as it's been provien no one will invade a nation with nuclear arms.
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Old 03-09-2015, 05:56 PM
 
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This will make sure Iran signs no deal. Why would Iran sign a deal when the Republicans would just ignore it if they gained the Presidency? This will make them trying to build their nuclear capability faster as it's been provien no one will invade a nation with nuclear arms.
Why would they sign a deal that wasn't enforceable in the first place?
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Old 03-09-2015, 05:57 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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Let me explain something to you.

Your God King lies every time he opens his mouth.

There is no reason to believe anything that comes from the Iranian sympathizers and mullah in the White House.

Obama is going to do what he wants to do under the guise of an executive agreement with Iran.

The problem here is .. From the 'little' that we have heard on this executive agreement is that it will be a ten year agreement!

Executive Agreements end at the end of a presidential term, this one will extend 10 years. So it is not an EA but a treaty.


Under the US Constitution, Article 2, Section 2, Clause 2 (in part): “He (The President) shall have power, by and with the advice and consent of the Senate to make treaties…

Now go away!
Well currently there is no treaty to bring to Congress because a dialogue between Iran and the US hasn't been made yet, that is what the president is trying to do. It was explained to you in Post #11, I thought you would have realized that, but I am not surprised you didn't.

Also, Obama is a president, not a "God King." Saying things like that just sounds ridiculous.
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Old 03-09-2015, 06:01 PM
 
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This will make sure Iran signs no deal. Why would Iran sign a deal when the Republicans would just ignore it if they gained the Presidency? This will make them trying to build their nuclear capability faster as it's been provien no one will invade a nation with nuclear arms.
Unless Obama can pull a rabbit out of the hat I'll speculate that any deal acceptable to Iran is not going to be acceptable to the Senate. Any negotiations Obama is making needs to be made from that starting point. If it can't get past a super majority of the Senate it will not be a legally binding treaty and those are just the facts. It's not a one man show.
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Old 03-09-2015, 06:03 PM
 
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Unless Obama can pull a rabbit out of the hat I'll speculate that any deal acceptable to Iran is not going to be acceptable to the Senate. Any negotiations Obama is making needs to be made from that starting point. If it can't get past a super majority of the Senate it will not be a legally binding treaty and those are just the facts. It's not a one man show.
It's actually not any of our business. The mistake started when we thought it was.
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Old 03-09-2015, 06:11 PM
 
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Pretty disrespectful. We spend all this time trying to hate on Iran. Iran woukd actually make a great ally.
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Old 03-09-2015, 06:12 PM
 
Location: San Francisco, CA
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I'm not sure how the Republican "strategy" of just demanding that Iran capitulate without any discussions or negotiations is actually enforceable, much less a strategy.

Once again, Republican international policy consists of trying to imitate a Dirty Harry movie on global scale. Folks, reality does not work this way. You speak softly and carry a big stick. You try to first resolve things diplomatically and then resort to war if truly necessary. It seems that Republicans are eager for war with Iran.
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Old 03-09-2015, 06:12 PM
 
Location: Chesterfield,Virginia
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From three years ago ..

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The president said that Tehran's nuclear program would represent a "profound" national-security threat to the United States even if Israel were not a target of Iran's violent rhetoric, and he dismissed the argument that the United States could successfully contain a nuclear Iran.

"You're talking about the most volatile region in the world," he said. "It will not be tolerable to a number of states in that region for Iran to have a nuclear weapon and them not to have a nuclear weapon. Iran is known to sponsor terrorist organizations, so the threat of proliferation becomes that much more severe." He went on to say, "The dangers of an Iran getting nuclear weapons that then leads to a free-for-all in the Middle East is something that I think would be very dangerous for the world."
So then, why this:
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President Obama may be about to make the biggest of his many foreign-policy mistakes. Both Washington and Tehran have hinted that an accord on Iran’s nuclear program may come as early as March 31.

In a Reuters interview last week, Obama broadly outlined the deal. Iran, he said, is already at the “threshold” point, needing just a year to build its first nuclear warhead. Under the deal, Iran would freeze its program at the current point for 10 years, subject to review in five years’ time, but could continue enriching uranium up to 5 percent.

Translation: Washington would acknowledge Iran’s right to build a nuclear arsenal in 10 years (perhaps five) if it so wishes.
What was the point of 13 years of tensions, sanctions and threats of war, half of it on Obama’s watch, if America was to end up accepting Tehran’s right to build a bomb?

We and Israel can exist for another ten years .. Ya-a-a

Yep .. No dialogue at all urbanlife78
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Old 03-09-2015, 06:20 PM
 
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What was the point of 13 years of tensions, sanctions and threats of war, half of it on Obama’s watch, if America was to end up accepting Tehran’s right to build a bomb?

We and Israel can exist for another ten years .. Ya-a-a

Yep .. No dialogue at all urbanlife78
Iran has absolutely no reason or need to attack us unless we attacked first. They have nothing to gain.
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