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Old 03-09-2015, 04:19 PM
 
Location: Chesterfield,Virginia
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The bottom line is this. We don’t yet have a deal. It may be that Iran cannot say yes to a good deal. I have repeatedly said that I would rather have no deal than a bad deal.

But if we’re successful negotiating, then in fact this will be the best deal possible to prevent Iran from obtaining a nuclear weapon. Nothing else comes close. Sanctions won’t do it. Even military action would not be as successful as the deal that we have put forward.
I haven't seen any deal .. you?
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Old 03-09-2015, 04:22 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Iran doesn't need any deal. This is just the US trying to save face because we have not been able to destroy Iran's nuclear capabilities after all these years.
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Old 03-09-2015, 04:23 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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What was the point in sending a letter to Iran explaining the constitution, they should be unified in standing behind the administrations decision rather than 2nd guessing the negotiations.

Really a pointless letter.




GOP senators send warning on Iran deal | TheHill
It's because Congress feels "left out" yet again.
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Old 03-09-2015, 04:23 PM
 
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Iran doesn't need any deal. This is just the US trying to save face because we have not been able to destroy Iran's nuclear capabilities after all these years.
Iran is legally entitled to "nuclear capabilities" as you say.
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Old 03-09-2015, 04:26 PM
 
Location: San Francisco, CA
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We have to get the signature of the Iranian Mullahs before we the American People can know what is in it ...

Same as with NoCare.

You can read the mess after you pass the mess.



Obama: I'll Make Case to American People After Iran Deal Is Made | The Weekly Standard
Actually, this is smart and standard protocol for anyone with a brain who is working in diplomacy.

Obama is saying that they will first come to an agreement, then raise that agreement for discussion in the appropriate context; not that they will come to an agreement, implement it, and then tell people "what's in it." And it depends on the agreement, frankly. We are not a direct democracy where you get a vote on every piece of international diplomatic deal; we are a representative democracy where our elected representatives may get a debate and vote on said deal.

No one in their right mind would leak information on ongoing diplomatic negotiations to the public...for reasons that should be obvious, but that I'm sure I'll need to explain to this audience in future posts.
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Old 03-09-2015, 04:27 PM
 
Location: Wallace, Idaho
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The President has been backstabbing this country since before his election.

What's good for the goose is good for the gander.
No. Two wrongs don't make a right.

Trying to undermine international negotiations is beyond the pale. I am in no way a fan of this administration, but it is the duty of the executive branch to handle international relations, not Congress. These senators should be ashamed of themselves. They act as if their president is Benjamin Netanyahu. Enough is enough. At the very least, they should all be censured for this.
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Old 03-09-2015, 04:27 PM
 
Location: Chesterfield,Virginia
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If you like your cities, you can keep your cities.
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Old 03-09-2015, 04:28 PM
 
Location: San Francisco, CA
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The stupid is strong in this thread.
Indeed, as it usually tends to be around here with this kind of stuff.
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Old 03-09-2015, 04:30 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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If you like your cities, you can keep your cities.
That doesn't even make sense, which must mean you are now deflecting since you have realized your error in your own thread.
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Old 03-09-2015, 04:31 PM
 
Location: Wallace, Idaho
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The letter-writers have been smacked down by Iran's foreign minister.

Ministry of Foreign Affairs Islamic Republic of IRAN - News > Dr. Zarifs Response to the Letter of US Senators

"[i]n our view, this letter has no legal value and is mostly a propaganda ploy. It is very interesting that while negotiations are still in progress and while no agreement has been reached, some political pressure groups are so afraid even of the prospect of an agreement that they resort to unconventional methods, unprecedented in diplomatic history. This indicates that like Netanyahu, who considers peace as an existential threat, some are opposed to any agreement, regardless of its content.

" ... I wish to enlighten the authors that if the next administration revokes any agreement with the stroke of a pen, as they boast, it will have simply committed a blatant violation of international law. ... Congress may not modify the terms of the agreement at any time as they claim, and if Congress adopts any measure to impede its implementation, it will have committed a material breach of US obligations."
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