The Chinese Invasion of America (propaganda, voting, Oklahoma, assault)

[qworldorder]

Originally Posted by Oldglory

It isn't only white conservatives that flee neighborhoods that have turned into unsafe, deterioting ones. Or neighborhoods where English is rarely spoken. I don't blame them. Who wants to feel unsafe or that they are a stranger in their own country? It has nothing to do with skin color or race but the above. Most poor minorities have been brainwashed by the propaganda and the socialism of the left. It has nothing to do with the right being non-inclusion of them. You will find that many minorities that are middle and upper class are conservatives. No, there is no truth that most conservatives or the
GOP are racists. I have no problem with the Chinese nor anyone else that comes here legally and doesn't displace Americans on their jobs or otherwise become a fiscal burden to our country.

Blacks are been under the Democrats thumb for decades because they believe the crap that the Democrats spew and the GOP is viewed as the party of whites only. It simply isn't true.
Many women are pro-choice. The GOP are mostly pro-life. Should they change their principles to draw in more female votes? I don't think so. Latinos vote Democrat because of their constant promises of amnesty for their illegal amigos. Should the GOP do the same even though it is not in the best interests of this country and its citizens? I don't think so. I have no idea why Asians vote Democrat. It certainly is puzzling. As for gays, well most conservatives just don't like the idea of a "traditional" marriage for gays but they are ok with a civil union. I know a couple of gay men that are complete conservatives and vote GOP though so not all gays base their votes on that one issue.

So your are saying that unless Republicans turn into Democrats they are holding back our country? That makes no sense at all.

No, even middle-class and upper class minorities tend to be more liberal. What, 95% of 'black America' voted for Obama? It isn't just about socio-economic status. I can rattle off tons of prominent minority businessman, celebrities, etc. who voted for the Democrats. I actually have to strain to think of any who voted Republican. The Republican party, as of 2015, is perceived to be un-inclusive or backwards in its ideology by a majority of every single major minority group in this country. Obviously less so for Asians and Latinos compared to blacks, but still a significant majority with them too. And you know what they so: perception is reality.

Blacks actually believe in the Democratic party because Dems are at least trying to correct a lot of problems in our communities. It isn't just pandering, which is an accusation I've never actually heard outside of this site. Republicans seem to have literally just given up. Their ideological 'solutions', while nice in theory, are completely unrealistic to be implemented. Furthermore, conservatives in general (used to be Dixiecrats, now its Republicans) have a very abysmal track record when it comes to race relations. Like it or not, that legacy is still very much in the minds of black voters.

Regarding amnesty, that's a tricky subject, but again, it's the Dems trying to spearhead a realistic solution, versus mass deportation, border walls, etc. Immigration in general IS in the best interest of this country--always has been, always will be. Without it, our population would be aging, and our economy would be even more depressed than it has recently been (see Japan, a homogenous country with strict immigration laws). Latinos should vote Dem until Republicans learn to compromise (and people like Rubio recognize this).

Many women are pro-choice. If you're going to say you represent the interests of the people, and a significant number of the people are for something, then, yes, you should change your stance. It's basic democracy. Same thing applies with gays and marriage. If civil unions are viewed as 'lesser' by your voting base, why wouldn't you push to make 'traditional marriage' the reality? This is just basic, representative democracy. At one time, conservatives pushed back on interracial marriage. The people pushed back harder. Democracy in action.

Asians vote Democrat because a lot of the amnesty issues that concern Latinos concerns them, too. While Latinos are looked at as unskilled laborers willing to do undesirable jobs, Asians often have the opposite problem. They're TOO skilled and are stealing away good jobs.

And what I'm saying is that Republicans need to become more socially liberal, and fast, or their party won't survive. Fiscal conservatism is fine, but if you're too socially conservative? You alienate the very people, minorities and women, that are the future of this country. They need to find a good common ground, or the Dems will continue to just win elections.

[bmexman]

Originally Posted by qworldorder

So why do conservatives want to deny immigrants (Chinese, Mexicans, etc) the freedom and opportunity to achieve the American Dream? This whole thread is a rant on those who should, in theory, have the right to come here.

Italians historically immigrated here to the United States en masse. You don't think any of them came here just to establish citizenship here (anchor babies) and return when things got better? Italian Americans never sent money back to Italy, returned back to Italy, or 'played both sides of the fence'?

As far as the English issue, why do you feel it's under threat if a couple of college students don't speak it right away? You never gave any insight into this reasoning, and instead, you generalized an entire immigrant community that you admit to having little access to. Yet, given all evidence to the contrary (immigrant groups like the Amish, East LA Mexicans and Cajuns speaking English), you insist that the Chinese immigrants don't/won't learn English.

I have never said that English is under threat. I am saying that people who choose not to speak English choose not to participate in "our society," which is mainstream American society. The consequence of not participating in mainstream society is permanent divisiveness, which goes against the principles of what this country was founded on - "Out of Many, One."

If another language besides English was to expand into mainstream use, becoming the dominant language of a region or people of this country then we will see a situation like in Quebec, in Spain with Catalan and Basque separatist movements, or in Belgium whose politics have been marked by the battle between Dutch-speaking and French-speaking Belgians.

I never generalized all Chinese immigrants, Chinese Americans, or ethnic Chinese in general. The majority of Chinese immigrants and Chinese-Americans I have met and known in my lifetime are upstanding, upwardly mobile assets to this country. I only commented on this latest wave of China's wealthy and entitled only using the United States for their own benefit, and not necessarily for the benefit of our country who hosts them.

I am hardly the only one who shares this view - get this, even other ethnic Chinese are reviled by these entitled wealthy mainlanders! One only needs to read the comments section of articles in the South China Morning Post, Hong Kong's premier newspaper, when an article about mainlanders comes up. And even in this country, American-born Chinese Americans thumb their noses at these "entitled fobs" and refuse to associate with them.

[banjomike]

Originally Posted by Repubocrat

Very good topic. I see the same phenomena even here in the Heartland. I live near our State University and like you said, some of these Chinese kids drive Porsche Cayennes and BMW 5 series around campus. It is so bizarre and they stand out like sore thumbs since most people here drive very unassuming cars and showing off is not part of the culture here.

In Chinese culture, it is perfectly ok for a 25 year old to not work and have Daddy pay for everything. I am very suspicious of Chinese people generally speaking and we have to be on alert. People that come from Communist countries can be very sneaky and they don't share the same values as we do here, my motto has always been to never trust a Communist Chinese because I know their sneaky and deceiving ways.

meh.
They come here because they want to be like us. And if they stay long enough, they become us.
Every newcomer wants a flashy car if they have never owned any car at all. Big deal.

And every immigrant group who has ever came ashore has been viewed with deep suspicion. EVery single one of them as been called sneaky and deceiving.

In time, they all get their priorities straightened out. Some family money sticks around, some family money doesn't. We don't think twice about seeing an old long-established Anglo family's kid driving around in a Carerra. In fact, they are the only ones I've ever seen driving them in my neck of the woods, while I know plenty of Chinese folks who were former residents of Communist China here, working their butts off to pay the rent while voting Republican as full fledged American citizens and damned proud of it.

That's the real phenomena. Most of those folks I know had to pass through North Korea to get to South Korea to finally come here, and none of it was easy, cheap, or simple. They are just like some German folks I know who had to do similar drastic things to leave where they were to live out their lives here in an earlier time.

The rich always have it easier in all things than the poor, and there are always more poor than rich. Neither is ever trusted at first, no matter where they came from.

[dechatelet]

You're overplaying the language tensions in Belgium and Canada.

Wrong.

English is quite established in this country and isn't going anywhere.

Then you concede that we need a common language.

If liberals mock southern accents, it's because historically, and presently, the South has been a bastion of backwardness and intolerance. Slavery? Jim Crow? Gay marriage? Southern conservatives haven't exactly unearned the dumb/ignorant stereotype.

Southern conservatives have slaves and lynch blacks and gays?

Is that what you're saying?

So the founders are 'settlers' now, and not immigrants? Even though there was an established population here first, with laws and culture and everything, who inhabited these lands?

You can't immigrate to a place that isn't a nation. So you're wrong.

This is ugly conservative revisionism.

No, it's fact.

If it were not a fact, then there could be no distinction between the people who immigrated to the United States AFTER it became a nation and those who settled here BEFORE it was a nation.

I suspect that you know nothing about American history apart from what some left-loony teacher told you while you were half-asleep. I guess you only woke up during his or her tirades...

Downgrade the natives' importance, play up the white settlers.

That's your very touchy and overly sensitive interpretation. It's a good example of how liberals just can't deal with facts because not all facts support their desired narrative.

And you wonder why people keep throwing around racist.

I don't wonder why, I know why. They are racist themselves.

This country was stolen through genocide and deceit--do you deny this?

Yes, I do deny it, unless you are willing to admit that every country has been stolen in a similar manner -- through conquest, butchery, thievery, etc.

Welcome to World History 101.

Native Americans weren't saints, but don't act like what the 'settlers' did was just.

I never said that what they did was just.

What commonality should we all have then? I mean, besides language? Define this American commonality that 'newbie' immigrants should have to earn.

Why should I?

If you had any interest in U.S. history, traditions, manners, folklore, customs and culture, you wouldn't need to ask that question.

I'm not here to educate the ignorant, especially when they are not even interested in learning in the first place.

"Europe, on the other hand, is a fascinating patchwork quilt of different cultures that preserve their cultural differences instead of diluting them into the mush we have here." You're contradicting yourself so much here it isn't even funny. Which is it? Are we "full of people who have nothing in common with each other" or are we "diluted mush"? Should we preserve cultural differences (to include language, as Belgium and Canada) or should we all unite under the grand 'American' culture (still yet to be defined by you?)

Maybe if you'd pay less attention to your spoon-fed and thoughtless preconceptions and more to what is in front of your nose, you would see that my distinction was between nations that preserve and treasure their traditions and those that do not.

Europe is interesting because a variety of nations that preserve their unique traditions are in close proximity to each other.

They would be a lot less interesting if they gave up those traditions and all became identical "multicultural" societies as we are becoming.

[dechatelet]

Originally Posted by qworldorder

And why do conservatives/rightists love to wear ignorance and fear like a badge of honor? There may be some hypocritical lefties, sure, but the vast majority of righties live in isolated, white communities devoid of real cultural interaction. Fact. You'll see that the enlightened blue cities and blue states are the most diverse and progressive. Red America? Not so much. The Right continues to hold America back.

Your hatred of whites is showing.

In the 1960s, the United States was about 85% white non-hispanic. Now it's about 62% white non-hispanic. So non-hispanic whites haven't exactly been resisting immigration by non-whites and hispanics. The U.S. is unprecedented in its willingness to become multi-racial and multi-cultural. And yet all you can do is rag on the non-hispanic whites who allowed that to happen. Do you think Japanese would welcome non-Japanese, Mexicans non-Mexicans, Indians non-Indians? There is a lot of racism and ethnocentrism in the world, and the great majority of it is from non-whites.

You're also wrong about where the majority of whites live. They live in metro areas that include most non-whites.

It's also pretty clear that you know nothing about small-town white America. Simply because it votes Republican, you assume that it is racist and ignorant.

Actually, the racists and uneducated fools (unless you call left wing propaganda "education," which it isn't) in this country are in the blue states and vote for Democrats.

[dechatelet]

Originally Posted by qworldorder

You didn't answer the question. What is this overarching national identity, this American character and spirit? What defines us as a nation, say, as opposed to Britain? Germany? Brazil? Merely listing prominent authors (all male and white, btw) does nothing to answer this question. Furthermore, yes, the founders of this country were of European heritage, drawing on European customs and ideas. Hint: they aren't the only significant contributors to this country. Do their contributions carry more weight in your eyes than others? Based on this and previous posts, it appears so.

I'm sorry that it bothers you so much that the United States was founded by European white males and that it has only begun to be significantly influenced in its mainstream culture by non-whites and women.

Boo-hoo.

I guess Disney should have been putting non-whites on its TV channel 100 years ago, and women's lib should have happened before the war of 1812.

And while we're bean counting, why the dearth of Asian entertainers?

Ok, mark that one down for the grudge list.

Nothing more defines us as a nation than our history, and it is clear that that history offends you.

Again, boo hoo.

If I were as offended as you are, I would seriously consider leaving and going somewhere else.

[Bettafish]

The number of Chinese is still far behind the number of Hispanics or blacks. They have literally zero political power in the US.

Yes, you see them a lot in California and maybe New York, but that's it. Go to a small city in Kansas and you see none of them.

[dechatelet]

Originally Posted by qworldorder

Please point out the "blatant anti-white racism and stereotyping" in my posts.

I don't believe I was replying to your posts.

[dechatelet]

Originally Posted by qworldorder

Lol at blaming multiculturalism for your own ignorance and prejudice. All you've just said is that your lead speaks more English than you speak Spanish, you're paranoid whenever other languages are spoken around you, and that you have no idea how to handle workplace relations/misunderstandings in a constructive manner. Yes, quite the anecdote.

And thus you show that you are not to be taken seriously.

As if I should have to learn the languages other people speak (in this case, Spanish and Filipino) instead of expecting them to speak English when we're at work in a major U.S. corporation in the United States.

[dechatelet]

Originally Posted by qworldorder

Now you're just blatantly hating. This 'feel-good sentiment' is literally emblazoned on our countries' greatest symbol for liberty. A symbol that literally was the gateway for millions of immigrants. But yea, none of this matters. And I'm supposed to take your talk of standardized American culture/identity/etc. seriously when you discount one of its most famous examples?

An example that you cherry pick and give the most importance to.

Again, you are full of it.