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I've had sober sex, high sex, drunk sex. I'll take sober & high sex over drunk sex, thank you very much. Drunk sex is just sloppy, embarrassing & it takes forever to have an orgasm.
Are you talking about having sex with a stranger here? That isn't interesting to me in any state of mind That would be doing it wrong
Numerous colleges now insist that it isn't possible to consent to sex if you're three sheets to the wind, which means that all sexual acts carried out under the influence are potential crimes. The University of Georgia warns students that sexual consent must be "voluntary, sober, imaginative, enthusiastic, creative, wanted, informed, mutual, honest." There are many problematic words in that—"imaginative"? Can't we consent to sex unimaginatively, maybe by saying "Oh, go on then"?—but the most problematic is "sober." Apparently sex must always be booze-free.
This is another example of the right wing media twisting things out of proportion to fit their 'liberals gone wild' narrative. It seems like every off-hand comment on a website is now evidence of the end of individual freedoms in America.
But if you look at the website, the author of the regulations is aiming for the same sort of playful tone that all sex counsellors have. The article is aimed at educating without judging, which can be the unintended result of a more serious or accusatory tone.
That said, if you're THAT drunk it's probably best to avoid having sex altogether unless you absolutely 100% know for sure the other person is okay with it and isn't going to falsely accuse you of rape.
And it is truly creepy the way the author of that article goes on and on as if drunk sex is somehow better than normal sex, and doesn't seem to realize that there's a difference between saying yes and not saying no. I can only imagine how many women have woken up beside him, hungover to the point of memory loss and experiencing horrifying amounts of guilt and regret before quietly slipping out the door. It's probably the only way he can get laid at all.
This is another example of the right wing media twisting things out of proportion to fit their 'liberals gone wild' narrative. It seems like every off-hand comment on a website is now evidence of the end of individual freedoms in America.
But if you look at the website, the author of the regulations is aiming for the same sort of playful tone that all sex counsellors have. The article is aimed at educating without judging, which can be the unintended result of a more serious or accusatory tone.
Regulations are not created in a "playful tone". Regulations are not created to educate, but rather to legislate.
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That said, if you're THAT drunk it's probably best to avoid having sex altogether unless you absolutely 100% know for sure the other person is okay with it and isn't going to falsely accuse you of rape.
"Sex that occurs while a partner is intoxicated or high is not consensual… it is sexual assault."
This quote is taken from earlier in the thread. "Intoxicated". I've known women who were intoxicated after their first beer, but they weren't THAT intoxicated.
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And it is truly creepy the way the author of that article goes on and on as if drunk sex is somehow better than normal sex, and doesn't seem to realize that there's a difference between saying yes and not saying no. I can only imagine how many women have woken up beside him, hungover to the point of memory loss and experiencing horrifying amounts of guilt and regret before quietly slipping out the door. It's probably the only way he can get laid at all.
So now you are the arbitrator of other people's sexual preferences? Hangovers don't create memory loss and no one here has defended someone having sex with someone passed out or extremely drunk.
This is not a right/left political issue. There are powerful movements within both major political parties that advocate for the authoritarian control of personal sexual behavior. All one needs to do is look at any issue that even peripherally touches upon sexuality to see that happening on a regular basis: abortion, gay marriage, prostitution, pornography, sexual assault, sexual harassment, etc.
In this particular case, the pressure is coming form rape culture feminists--primarily those on college campuses. While radical feminists tend to have an outsized amount of power in general, that power is extraordinarily so on college and university campuses. That's the reason why the initial implementation of these kinds of policies is starting in those venues. Title IX legislation has been inappropriately co-opted to include issues of alleged criminal sexual contact. The Department of Education is placing enormous pressure on colleges and universities to adopt this sort of experimental legislation.
For rape culture feminists, this is not about the individual victim, nor is it about the rapist. The very utilization of the term "rape culture" (always used, whether explicitly or implicitly, in conjunction with the political concept of "patriarchy"), is designed to create a division based upon gender demographics, as opposed to a division which operates within the traditional criminal paradigm of victim and assailant.
Nor is the genesis of these policies truly about intoxication or consent. This is a radical feminist attempt to use college campuses as a template through which the broader legal definition of sexual assault can be adapted to their ideology of gender politics.
Sexual assault is defined clearly in the legal statutes of every state. While the language used varies, under current law, there is a basic set of definitions for sexual assault that is relatively consistent from state to state.
If you are forced, via physical restraint or violence, to participate in sexual contact --you have been raped.
If you (or a third party) are subjected to a credible and imminent threat of violence, and you comply--you have been raped.
If, without your knowledge, you have been intentionally administered an intoxicating substance for the purpose of rendering you more compliant to sexual contact, and the person administering that intoxicant has sexual contact with you--you have been raped.
If you are literally unconscious, that is to say that you have no conscious awareness of your existence, and someone has sexual contact with your unconscious body--you have been raped.
Lastly, there are statutory rapes, in which a consenting partner is legally deemed incapable of giving consent due to age or status as a vulnerable adult (typically, those with intellectual impairment or a profound handicap which disallows the physical ability to indicate consent).
Beyond that, there is no sexual contact which meets a legal definition of sexual assault. Choosing to become so intoxicated that one loses memory of their sexual behavior, or to become so intoxicated that one engages in sexual behavior they may later regret, is not sexual assault by any legal definition.
If a man robs a liquor store when he is drunk, we still prosecute him for robbery. If a woman beats her baby when she is drunk, we hold her accountable for child abuse. If a drunk driver kill someone while driving, we hold that person accountable. Legally, we hold adults responsible for the choices they make when they are intoxicated.
If a man commits a legally-definable sexual assault while he is drunk, he is still a rapist. Likewise, if an intoxicated woman chooses to engage in sexual behavior she later regrets, she is still responsible for that choice. Radical feminist attempts to socially engineer a culture in which women, by virtue of their sex, are given a pass on personal accountability; are offensive to both the men who are demonized, and to the women who are juvenalized by the process.
I've had sober sex, high sex, drunk sex. I'll take sober & high sex over drunk sex, thank you very much. Drunk sex is just sloppy, embarrassing & it takes forever to have an orgasm.
Give it up. A common and true saying is that "arguing with a liberal is like playing chess with a pigeon. They knock the pieces over, crap on the board, and fly back to their flock to claim victory."
Common where? How did republicans come up with this one. It's pretty stupid lol
This is not a right/left political issue. There are powerful movements within both major political parties that advocate for the authoritarian control of personal sexual behavior. All one needs to do is look at any issue that even peripherally touches upon sexuality to see that happening on a regular basis: abortion, gay marriage, prostitution, pornography, sexual assault, sexual harassment, etc.
In this particular case, the pressure is coming form rape culture feminists--primarily those on college campuses. While radical feminists tend to have an outsized amount of power in general, that power is extraordinarily so on college and university campuses. That's the reason why the initial implementation of these kinds of policies is starting in those venues. Title IX legislation has been inappropriately co-opted to include issues of alleged criminal sexual contact. The Department of Education is placing enormous pressure on colleges and universities to adopt this sort of experimental legislation.
For rape culture feminists, this is not about the individual victim, nor is it about the rapist. The very utilization of the term "rape culture" (always used, whether explicitly or implicitly, in conjunction with the political concept of "patriarchy"), is designed to create a division based upon gender demographics, as opposed to a division which operates within the traditional criminal paradigm of victim and assailant.
Nor is the genesis of these policies truly about intoxication or consent. This is a radical feminist attempt to use college campuses as a template through which the broader legal definition of sexual assault can be adapted to their ideology of gender politics.
Sexual assault is defined clearly in the legal statutes of every state. While the language used varies, under current law, there is a basic set of definitions for sexual assault that is relatively consistent from state to state.
If you are forced, via physical restraint or violence, to participate in sexual contact --you have been raped.
If you (or a third party) are subjected to a credible and imminent threat of violence, and you comply--you have been raped.
If, without your knowledge, you have been intentionally administered an intoxicating substance for the purpose of rendering you more compliant to sexual contact, and the person administering that intoxicant has sexual contact with you--you have been raped.
If you are literally unconscious, that is to say that you have no conscious awareness of your existence, and someone has sexual contact with your unconscious body--you have been raped.
Lastly, there are statutory rapes, in which a consenting partner is legally deemed incapable of giving consent due to age or status as a vulnerable adult (typically, those with intellectual impairment or a profound handicap which disallows the physical ability to indicate consent).
Beyond that, there is no sexual contact which meets a legal definition of sexual assault. Choosing to become so intoxicated that one loses memory of their sexual behavior, or to become so intoxicated that one engages in sexual behavior they may later regret, is not sexual assault by any legal definition.
If a man robs a liquor store when he is drunk, we still prosecute him for robbery. If a woman beats her baby when she is drunk, we hold her accountable for child abuse. If a drunk driver kill someone while driving, we hold that person accountable. Legally, we hold adults responsible for the choices they make when they are intoxicated.
If a man commits a legally-definable sexual assault while he is drunk, he is still a rapist. Likewise, if an intoxicated woman chooses to engage in sexual behavior she later regrets, she is still responsible for that choice. Radical feminist attempts to socially engineer a culture in which women, by virtue of their sex, are given a pass on personal accountability; are offensive to both the men who are demonized, and to the women who are juvenalized by the process.
Preach. this should be a billboard.
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That would be doing it wrong
