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Old 03-09-2015, 01:43 PM
 
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Sure they are. States have had high risk insurance pools for such persons since long before Obamacare.
Not all states even offered high risk plans, in some states there were no options at all. In states that did, there was up to a one year waiting list with no insurance, then one plan is offered with a 6mo-1 year exclusion for any preexisting conditions with up to double premiums, higher co insurance, and up to 10K deductibles.

For many, the pre existing condition was a non issue, just some ridiculous exclusion from the past, or an underwriters medical misunderstanding, but they are only offered that one cost prohibitive plan, there is no ability to purchase a catastrophic, or other plan no matter how healthy they actually are.

Americans overwhelmingly agree with removing pre existing conditions from insurance. Legislators had decades to come up with a better solution, but chose to do nothing in favor of making the individual market a cash cow for insurance companies.

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Old 03-09-2015, 03:47 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Not all states even offered high risk plans
Most (72%) did.

States That Have Risk Pools
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Old 03-09-2015, 04:17 PM
 
Location: North Pacific
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I don't know if there's anything out there but is there any type of way to make it where people can actually be helped but it doesn't require everyone else to be punished by taking worse plans or having ridiculous taxes just because they worked for a job that provides great benefits?
They went hunting alligators; drained the swamp, then forgot why they were there to begin with...health care reform. 3000 pages later and a slue of Supreme Court hearings, this is the best the U.S. Government can come up with, a law.

imo, if you have a job with great benefits and the law does not interfere with that, then count yourself very luck in the present day and hope that tomorrow it remains the same.
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Old 03-09-2015, 04:20 PM
 
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They went hunting alligators; drained the swamp, then forgot why they were there to begin with...health care reform. 3000 pages later and a slue of Supreme Court hearings, this is the best the U.S. Government can come up with, a law.

imo, if you have a job with great benefits and the law does not interfere with that, then count yourself very luck in the present day and hope that tomorrow it remains the same.
It doesn't yet but soon enough they will try. It's just a matter of time. Nothing is off limits when it comes to taking money from people and giving it to others.
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Old 03-09-2015, 04:34 PM
 
Location: Wallace, Idaho
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Roberts twisted the original ACA law to make it fit within constitutional parameters. I'm sure he'll be just as creative this time around.
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Old 03-09-2015, 04:38 PM
 
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Thtas what catastrophic insurance was for.

You needed insurance to kick in at the point you couldnt afford it.

Had $100K in the bank, then you needed $100K catastrophic care..

Thats how you know how much insurance you need.

I, like many, lost our policies due to ACA..
And I want back what I had.

That idiot in the WH took it away.

Now I refuse to get it and he can kiss my butt as I will never get insurance until this living abortion dies.
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Old 03-09-2015, 04:45 PM
 
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That didn't take long:

Don't Blame Heritage for ObamaCare Mandate

That link comes from, your source page.

btw reference to the source page, the person who shut down the government was the person in charge with the power to do so.
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Old 03-09-2015, 04:46 PM
 
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And I want back what I had.

That idiot in the WH took it away.

Now I refuse to get it and he can kiss my butt as I will never get insurance until this living abortion dies.
"If you like your plan, you can keep your plan."

The hole in the hull that sinks the Titanic, so to speak.
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Old 03-09-2015, 04:56 PM
 
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Mid-argument updates: King v. Burwell

"Justice Kennedy expressed deep concern with a system where the statute would potentially destroy the insurance system in states that chose not to establish their own exchanges – likening this to an unconstitutional form of federal coercion. That made him seem skeptical of the petitioners’ reading of the statute, a hopeful point for defenders of the existing subsidies in all states."

Mid-argument updates: King v. Burwell (Latest update: 11:06) : SCOTUSblog
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I disagree that it was the result of sloppy drafting/unintended consequences. Gruber, who was the WH's and Congress's consultant on the ACA, has been taped repeatedly stating that the law was written that way to coerce states to establish their own exchanges.

Absolutely correct. Any other outcome, and SCOTUS even further diminishes the integrity of their already increasingly questionable rulings.


Kennedy ought to start believing what he finds hard to believe.

It is what it is.
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Old 03-09-2015, 05:01 PM
 
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"If you like your plan, you can keep your plan."

The hole in the hull that sinks the Titanic, so to speak.

Has king Hussein ever came out and acknowledged that lie or anything?
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