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Left wingers tend to have brains screwed on top. I take it you must think German police should be spending more time killing hundreds of German (Ossies for example) citizens and immigrants each year rather than getting fat drinking (good) Beer, and eating those lovely cream filled pastries. nice juicy bratworsts or deep fat fried perogies while on duty!
Europeans tend to be smarter than most rocks, bags of hammers or tree stumps. Can you say that of Americans?
"Can you say that of Americans?"
I CAN say tens of thousand of Europeans have come HERE FROM Europe then American's GOING to Europe.
European cops don't have to face a gun happy gun saturated population were choosing to not use lethal force is to risk being shot and likely killed! American cops are far more likely to die on the jobs than their European or Japanese counterparts. If people are upset over all these cops killing unarmed citizens. they only have themselves and the NRA to blame.
So police-state apologist. Got it...
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Ohhhh, BINGO.... Eddie b good struck gold. He skillfully lured you in to the trap he so intricately set. This is exactly what HE wanted to say in the OP, but instead chose to guide some unwitting sap in to saying it for him.....
Pretty obviously a "let's ban guns" thread.
That was not where I was going with this post. If that's where he wants to lay the blame, that on him.
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Originally Posted by Zoisite
Maybe you should look into European statistics about violent crime rates - heck, crime in general - and mental illness, and the number of violent criminals incarcerated. Look at Canada's, Australia's and the United Kingdom's statistics as well. Then compare all that with Americas statistics. And take a boo through the Current Events forum here for a refresher course on the inhumanity of mankind against the rest of the world.
Then get back to us and tell us which of them all is leading with the most violent crimes, most violent criminals, most bigots and racists (of all colours), most religious fanatics, most drug addicts and the most rabidly frothing-at-the-mouth-crazy nut cases running around killing each other, their children, their dogs and whatever else strikes their fancy and doing other horrible things to themselves and the rest of their society.
Whether they're armed with weapons or not.
Then ask again why cops in America shoot so many people while trying to do the thankless job of keeping the peace and maintaining law and order.
Where there's smoke there's fire.
You really think there's that big a discrepancy between the degenerates in Europe and the degenerates in the US? We've had more deaths by cop in the last year than the UK has had in the last 100 years, and your explanation is that American degenerates are just way crazier the British ones?
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Originally Posted by LauraC
That is a terrible article that appears to have been written by a non-journalist.
Look at this sentence:
"The same year, German police, who do carry guns, reportedly killed six people. Germany, another racist, capitalist country with large numbers of oppressed minorities, has a population about one-quarter that of the U.S. So on a per capita basis, U.S. police were 40 times as likely to kill as German cops."
C'mon! I looked at the top of the article on the webpage. It wasn't originally written for that Global Research website. It was written for something called Liberation News.
Liberation News: "Newspaper of the Party for Socialism and Liberation"
This is them according to their own website:
"The Party for Socialism and Liberation is a working-class party of leaders and activists from many different struggles, founded to promote the movement for revolutionary change. Capitalism—the system in which all wealth and power is held by a tiny group of billionaires and their state—is the source of the main problems confronting humanity today: imperialist war, poverty, exploitation, layoffs, unemployment, racism, sexism, lesbian/gay/bi/trans oppression, environmental destruction, mass imprisonment, unionbusting and more. We are fighting for socialism, a system where the wealth of society belongs to those who produce it—the workers—and is used in a planned and sustainable way for the benefit of all. In place of greed, domination and exploitation, we stand for solidarity, friendship and cooperation between all peoples."
I don't care for the language, but the facts are not disputable. Feel free to look up your own stats on German/British/French/Japanese/etc deaths by cop and explain to me why they are able to deal w/ unarmed people or mentally ill people without killing them while American cops can't.
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Did it ever cross your mind that in Europe, when their citizens are confronted by cops, citizens actually listen? They don't start yelling racist, what did I do, racist, racist ,racist, racist....
Did that even come close to crossing your mind?
That's a very good point. How about we limit American deaths by cops to White people... 326 in 2012 alone. I guess these guys were also crying racism against cops...? Which is still more than Europe has had in the last... 10 years COMBINED.
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"that the only way that cops have to deal with these unruly punchers, runners, and mentally ill folks is to shoot them.
Just MORE B.S.
And yet American cops kill more people running away than the European cops kill total.
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"How many shootings do you have?" "about 5 a year"
Some European countries "punish" a LOT harder then we do.
Our local radio did a short spot a driver in Finland, or Sweden, I'm not sure, who was fined $60,000 for exceeding the speed limit by 16 mph.
The fines there are based on your annual income.
As they say, 'The devil is in the details" not some off the cuff remark.
And? How does the fact that some European countries have stricter punishments negate the fact that American cops kill at such a disgustingly higher rate their Euro counterparts? It doesn't matter how you slice up the deaths -- unarmed, White, AND outside of metropolitan areas -- you'd still have more deaths by cop than all of Europe combined.
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Ok, you are making some assumptions up front that need to be questioned.
1. Do the officers know the person is unarmed?
2. In cases where they do not know this what is the likelihood that the typical euro has a gun in their jacket as opposed to an american? Assume bad gang-infested neighborhood for instance.
Whatever assumptions I'm making are going to be made for both sides. But even if they don't know how "armed" the suspect is, so what?
England has been dealing with a knife attack epidemic for the last couple of decades. Hundreds get attacked every year, so British cops are completely aware that they could be dealing with someone who's armed enough to do harm. And even with that, American cops still kill more people UNARMED people than British cops kill ARMED people, even if you adjust for America's size.
The data file called "Supplemental Table 1" has naturalization numbers by country, and the western Euro countries are pretty minimal. The whole of the Netherlands had 786 of its people naturalized in the US last year, which is similar to the thousand or so Americans who get Netherlands residency each year.
The overall rate of death by firearms in the US vs. all of Europe is hardly inconsequential in this matter. Unless one believes Americans are simply more suicidal and homicidal and accident prone than Europeans.
Over 60% of all gun deaths in the US are suicides. The suicide rate however, is roughly equal between the US vs UK. In the UK they just kill themselves in different ways.
I don't think guns are even the issue here. Did you see the video? It was Friday night in downtown and not only were there no gunshots, there was no crime period. If there was no crime in downtown LA on a Friday night, maybe they wouldn't need guns.
In Switzerland, until a few years ago, every man under 40 y/o, by law had to keep an assault rifle in his home and the Government sold excess military ordinance, including grenades and mortar launchers to the general public. They have virtually no crime, no gun play and never had any spree shootings. Why not? That should that have been the most violent country on the planet if the guns are responsible? No, of course not. The Swiss are a mostly homogenous, law abiding, highly industrious country with high employment and very little poverty. That's why there was so little crime, despite the mandatory possession of assault rifles by most of the men in the country.
To some extent these things are cultural. Murder in general is about 5 times more common in the US than in most European nations. Among European criminal classes (regular thugs and gangbangers; not terrorists), the notion of shooting a cop is way out-of-range. It's simply not done. It's not part of the culture. The US is different; lethal violence is more common, and people resort to lethal violence a lot more quickly. Why would we expect police officers to be radically different from the populations they police?
Where are you getting this idea that British criminals are more noble than American criminals. Shooting a cop is out of range in the UK, b/c of how hard it is to get a gun, not some honor code.
You know what the UK has? A crapload of knife-crimes, and sometimes cops get stabbed from these knife-wielding maniacs. So no, UK criminals are not somehow more honorable than US criminals, and hesitant to harm their cops. They just don't have guns with which to shoot them.
So knowing that these maniacs might have knives to stab them with, British still somehow manage to kill less of them than American cops manage to kill people running away.
Over 60% of all gun deaths in the US are suicides. The suicide rate however, is roughly equal between the US vs UK. In the UK they just kill themselves in different ways.
I don't think guns are even the issue here. Did you see the video? It was Friday night in downtown and not only were there no gunshots, there was no crime period. If there was no crime in downtown LA on a Friday night, maybe they wouldn't need guns.
In Switzerland, until a few years ago, every man under 40 y/o, by law had to keep an assault rifle in his home and the Government sold excess military ordinance, including grenades and mortar launchers to the general public. They have virtually no crime, no gun play and never had any spree shootings. Why not? That should that have been the most violent country on the planet if the guns are responsible? No, of course not. The Swiss are a mostly homogenous, law abiding, highly industrious country with high employment and very little poverty. That's why there was so little crime, despite the mandatory possession of assault rifles by most of the men in the country.
I agree with your point except the bold, b/c it makes it sound like diversity is what causes crime, not economic inequality and lack of jobs.
Where are you getting this idea that British criminals are more noble than American criminals.
Nobility is an odd way of putting it, but they are a lot less lethal than Americans in general, and also less lethal toward cops.
The murder rate from stabbings in the US is actually slightly higher than it is in the UK, which was a remarkable statistic when I first discovered it. Americans are just a lot more murderous, regardless of the implements involved.
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