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Old 03-19-2015, 02:57 PM
 
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The problem we have been experiencing is when the economic system begins to heavily influence the political system when the political system is supposed to represent all of the people, and not the richest people.

Thats why capitalism is conflicting with a democracy....
We have a Republic.....not a Democracy.
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Old 03-19-2015, 02:57 PM
 
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That is funny. Even your communes have managers.

Probably but the workers might have given them the permission to do managing tasks. This isn't how our current business model works though. Managers are not appointed democratically and workers are not in charge of the fruits of their labor.
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Old 03-19-2015, 02:58 PM
 
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We have a Republic.....not a democracy.
Shrug, a democratic republic thats supposed to represent all the people. You're quibbling, and ignoring the point. Which is that while we call ourselves other things, we are really more and more becoming a plutocracy
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Old 03-19-2015, 03:02 PM
 
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[quote=greywar;38880331]The problem we have been experiencing is when the economic system begins to heavily influence the political system when the political system is supposed to represent all of the people, and not the richest people.



People are always going to vote based at least partially on economic interests. You cannot seperate economics from politics. In fact, capitalism's foe, socialism, is politics and government intertwined by definition.

When you get away from theory and look at history you find it is socialism which is least compatible with democracy.
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Old 03-19-2015, 03:03 PM
 
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Probably but the workers might have given them the permission to do managing tasks. This isn't how our current business model works though. Managers are not appointed democratically and workers are not in charge of the fruits of their labor.
Workers can spend their money any way they choose.
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Old 03-19-2015, 03:05 PM
 
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People are always going to vote based at least partially on economic interests. You cannot seperate economics from politics. In fact, capitalism's foe, socialism, is politics and government intertwined by definition.
Ahhh but if the government represents the people voting equally, even if they vote based upon their economic interests, thats fine.

Thats not what occurs today. Our government is not representing the individual voters. By far they are representing the rich.

Look at our military spending for a great example. The majority on both the left and the right are against spending more. And yet....we are going to spend more.
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Old 03-19-2015, 03:05 PM
 
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Workers can spend their money any way they choose.
They also work for differnet companies. They could even join a commune.
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Old 03-19-2015, 03:08 PM
 
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Workers can spend their money any way they choose.

huh? I don't understand the point you're making.
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Old 03-19-2015, 03:09 PM
 
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They also work for differnet companies. They could even join a commune.

No they can't. Companies have shut down unions. Most American workers are not allowed to unionize.
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Old 03-19-2015, 03:10 PM
 
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huh? I don't understand the point you're making.
Workers are very much in charge of the "fruits of their labor".
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