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Old 03-19-2015, 04:20 PM
 
Location: Corona del Mar, CA - Coronado, CA
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How can you be in support of a system that isn't democratic in principle? In capitalism workers are not entitled to their fruits of labor. People who live in a supposed free society spend majority of their time in a vicinity that's undemocratic. Workplaces or firms operate on the basis of higher ups. We're told what to do and are indecisive of how much we make. It's ironic that those who advocate entrepreneurship don't call for communal workplace environments. In a commune, workers are in charge of their fruits of labor. Capitalism does not operate in this manner.
Try not to start topics when you are stoned. It makes your posts very incoherent.

In capitalism the workers most certainly are entitled to the fruits of their labor. It is called their "wage", be it hourly, salary or commission. How big the fruit is, is commiserate with how valuable their contribution is.

If a worker is unhappy with his/her compensation they are welcome to gather capital and start their own business.
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Old 03-19-2015, 04:26 PM
 
Location: Maryland about 20 miles NW of DC
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...or it would at least prevail somewhere.
Try Israeli Kibbutzim! One of the world's most efficient agricultural organizations and there are even industrial and scientific-technical Kibbutzim here too!
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Old 03-19-2015, 04:27 PM
 
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Oh and by the way, there are egalitarian societies that work fine. Look up the Mbuti and Aka pygmies. Humans have been living in egalitarian socities for millenias. Do your research.
That would be the example of tyranny and oppression. Try being a young women in that society and saying 'no' when you are traded in marriage like a livestock.
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Old 03-19-2015, 04:32 PM
 
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I'm talking about the market place, not communal societies.
The market place is the central piece of a society, how the resources are turned into product. Explain what you are suggesting if not communism.
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Old 03-19-2015, 04:34 PM
 
Location: Prepperland
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One should never confuse an economic system with a political system. There is NOTHING in the Constitution regarding anything economic. We could be a socialistic or communistic government quite comfortably so long as the rules set down in the constitution were applied.
ABSOLUTELY WRONG.

Simple reason #1 - private property ownership is PROTECTED by the constitution. Whereas, private property ownership is ABOLISHED by communism.

From the Communist manifesto: "In this sense, the theory of the Communists may be summed up in the single sentence: Abolition of private property."
https://www.marxists.org/archive/mar...ist-manifesto/

There can be no "peaceful coexistence" between owners and the predators bent on dispossessing them.
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Old 03-19-2015, 04:36 PM
 
Location: Maryland about 20 miles NW of DC
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He can if he buys it......just like you and I.
Well if he gets no more than you or I who are not making burgers , the burger flipper should just quit and go stand in line with the rest of us. Then there would be no burgers for any of us! Go spread some special sauce on your 10 dollar bill and go eat it.
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Old 03-19-2015, 04:43 PM
 
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Which is exploitation.
An agreement to collaborate is not exploitation.
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Old 03-19-2015, 04:44 PM
 
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The market place is the central piece of a society, how the resources are turned into product. Explain what you are suggesting if not communism.

You can have a free market without centralized entities.


I have an issue with those who go on about how government this and government that when private sector institutions behave in the same manner. You can't have a problem with tyranny when you have no problem with private sector monopolies and exploitation.
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Old 03-19-2015, 04:45 PM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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How can you be in support of a system that isn't democratic in principle? In capitalism workers are not entitled to their fruits of labor.
What are wages? Wages/salary are compensation for their labor. These wages/salaries are mutually agreed to upon hiring.

They are not, however, entitled to a portion of the profits, unless the company has a profit sharing program (as many do).

What "fruits of labor" other than what I mentioned above, do you think an employee is entitled to?

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People who live in a supposed free society spend majority of their time in a vicinity that's undemocratic. Workplaces or firms operate on the basis of higher ups.
What, exactly, do you mean by that?


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We're told what to do and are indecisive of how much we make. It's ironic that those who advocate entrepreneurship don't call for communal workplace environments.
A "communal workplace environment?" What is that? Please explain.

An entrepreneur has personal risk involved. An employee has no risk.

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In a commune, workers are in charge of their fruits of labor. Capitalism does not operate in this manner.
Fine. Go live in a commune. Let us know how that works out.
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Old 03-19-2015, 04:47 PM
 
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That would be the example of tyranny and oppression. Try being a young women in that society and saying 'no' when you are traded in marriage like a livestock.
What are you talking about? Tribal people don't sell women into bondage. You have a bigoted and ignorant view of primitive societies. I don't blame you though because you're American.
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