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so your answer to anything you don't believe is : black op
and why didn't you FINISH the quote
a 2015 study:
The April 1995 bombing of the Alfred P. Murrah Building in Oklahoma City and more recent events, such as the February 2012 shooting at the Anderson Federal Building in Long Beach, California, and the September 2013 Navy Yard shooting in Washington, D.C., demonstrate the continued vulnerability of federal facilities to security incidents.
I hyper a black operative??? or a disinformation spy.....paid dissenter ?? people want to know
so your answer to anything you don't believe is : black op
and why didn't you FINISH the quote
a 2015 study:
The April 1995 bombing of the Alfred P. Murrah Building in Oklahoma City and more recent events, such as the February 2012 shooting at the Anderson Federal Building in Long Beach, California, and the September 2013 Navy Yard shooting in Washington, D.C., demonstrate the continued vulnerability of federal facilities to security incidents.
I hyper a black operative??? or a disinformation spy.....paid dissenter ?? people want to know
Okay - re-thread and nothing to see here. Some retired general (wasn't even in power during 9/11 and has no direct knowledge of any attacks) . I know you are using a bit of argument of authority (hey he was a general, and all generals are sane non-crazy people and don't make **** up in retirement)
Seriously - if this is the low bar for what you believe is credible, than the sadness is on you.
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Originally Posted by Dude111
This is a very important video and should be shared by truth warriors around the world.
Watching a General in control of all the overseas armed forces having his belief system shattered gives me hope that those sceptics who watch this might also. I cant be sure though seeing most ppl have been so conditioned to just BELIEVE WHAT THEY ARE TOLD w/o question..... Its really very sad
THEY TOOK THE FOOTAGE FROM AROUND THE PENTAGON FROM THE CAMERA THAT ACTUALLY SAW WHAT TOOK PLACE THERE!!!!! (If that doesnt tell you something there isnt any hope of ya ever seeing thru thier lies!!)
a plane hit the pentagon? witness by hundreds (including an acquaintance of mine, who Arlington condo overlooked the pentagon -just an edge - and I talked to him the VERY NEXT DAY)
you guys and your idiotic conspiracy theories. Nothing in this world can happen without some big boogey man goverment intervention. No plane goes down. No terrorist blow stuff up. We live in a f'n utopia here. . .and the only real bad guy in the world is the US goverment
a plane hit the pentagon? witness by hundreds (including an acquaintance of mine, who Arlington condo overlooked the pentagon -just an edge - and I talked to him the VERY NEXT DAY)
you guys and your idiotic conspiracy theories. Nothing in this world can happen without some big boogey man goverment intervention. No plane goes down. No terrorist blow stuff up. We live in a f'n utopia here. . .and the only real bad guy in the world is the US goverment
what a load of #@!!! you are shoveling.
Well, do you think trillions of dollars were vaporized by the crash?
Dick Cheney and O.J. Simpson are still looking . . .
and you guys KEEP CONTINUING the same lies that have been debunked over and over again
the 2.3 trillion missing bull...been debunked thousands of times
did you even READ the about the ''issue''
in the ACCOUNTING for FY 96, 97, 98, 99 of the DOD BUDGET there was RECIEPTS missing and 2.3 trillion was not DOCUMENTED were EXACTLY it was spent
there NEVER was 2.3 t of ACTUAL money missing
fact..2.3 trillion was UNACCOUNTED FOR from the CLINTON ADMIN..
fact they found (accounted for every penny)
oh please you are not going to bring that garbage up again
the money was NEVER missing, just unaccounted in balancing the book during the CLINTON admin...had ZERO to do with Rummy
so you(and all the twoofers) saying that rummy stole 2.3 trill.....is a LIE
Read the 1999 DoD audit report. $2.3 TRILLION unaccounted for under the CLINTON admin.
yes it was all accounted for
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Zakheim Seeks To Corral, Reconcile 'Lost' Spending
By Gerry J. Gilmore American Forces Press Service
WASHINGTON, Feb. 20, 2002 -- As part of military transformation efforts, DoD Comptroller Dov S. Zakheim and his posse of accountants are riding the Pentagon's financial paper trail, seeking to corral billions of dollars in so-called "lost" expenditures.
For years, DoD and congressional officials have sought to reconcile defense financial documents to determine where billions in expenditures have gone. That money didn't fall down a hole, but is simply waiting to be accounted for, Zakheim said in a Feb. 14 interview with the American Forces Information Service. Complicating matters, he said, is that DoD has 674 different computerized accounting, logistics and personnel systems.
Most of the 674 systems "don't talk to one another unless somebody 'translates,'" he remarked. This situation, he added, makes it hard to reconcile financial data.
Billions of dollars of DoD taxpayer-provided money haven't disappeared, Zakheim said. "Missing" expenditures are often reconciled a bit later in the same way people balance their checkbooks every month. The bank closes out a month and sends its bank statement, he said. In the meanwhile, people write more checks, and so they have to reconcile their checkbook register and the statement.
DoD financial experts, Zakheim said, are making good progress reconciling the department's "lost" expenditures, trimming them from a prior estimated total of $2.3 trillion to $700 billion. And, he added, the amount continues to drop.
"We're getting it down and we are redesigning our systems so we'll go down from 600-odd systems to maybe 50," he explained.
"That way, we will give people not so much more money, but a comfort factor, to be sure that every last taxpayer penny is accounted for," he concluded
By JOHN M. DONNELLY The Associated Press 03/03/2000 5:44 PM Eastern
WASHINGTON (AP) -- The military's money managers last year made almost $7 trillion in adjustments to their financial ledgers in an attempt to make them add up, the Pentagon's inspector general said in a report released Friday.
The Pentagon could not show receipts for $2.3 trillion of those changes, and half a trillion dollars of it was just corrections of mistakes made in earlier adjustments.
Each adjustment represents a Defense Department accountant's attempt to correct a discrepancy. The military has hundreds of computer systems to run accounts as diverse as health care, payroll and inventory. But they are not integrated, don't produce numbers up to accounting standards and fail to keep running totals of what's coming in and what's going out, Pentagon and congressional officials said.
"These ($6.9 trillion in) entries were processed to force financial data to agree with various data sources, to correct errors and to add new data," the inspector general said. "The magnitude of accounting entries required to compile the DoD financial statements highlights the significant problems DoD has producing accurate and reliable financial statements with existing systems and processes."
The department's "internal controls were not adequate to ensure that resources were properly managed and accounted for, that DoD complied with applicable laws and regulations and that the financial statements were free of material misstatements," the report said.
"One expects that the financial statements of an entity, whether of an agency or a company, should reflect accurately what the department or company has and fairly present the results of their operations," said Jay Lane, chief of the inspector general's finance and accounting directorate. "We're saying we can't audit that to tell you that."
The military says it owns $119.3 billion in ships, trucks, jet engines and more. But its inspector general said he could not verify that because records lacked supporting documentation.
The U.S. military's financial records are not in good enough shape to face an audit, let alone pass one, the inspector general said.
As jumbled as its books are, the Pentagon is not alone: Only 11 of 24 big federal agencies could produce reliable financial statements for the fiscal year that ended Sept. 30, said Sen. Fred Thompson, R-Tenn., chairman of the Senate Governmental Affairs committee.
Still, the Pentagon had much more not to account for than the other 10 agencies. The military says it spent $275.5 billion in fiscal 1999, just under half of the $575 billion Congress appropriated for the federal government, according to Lisa Jacobson, director of defense financial audits at the General Accounting Office. The GAO is Congress' auditing arm.
The inability to account for where the money went doesn't just make the military less efficient, she and others said, but also makes the armed forces less responsive to the will of Congress. Without sound costing data, the Pentagon can't make good decisions, they contend. For example, they say, the military can't measure the results of closing a base; can't effectively decide whether to contract out a service or keep it in government hands; may inaccurately peg the cost of programs under debate, from national missile defense to retirees' health care.
"Last year, the Defense Department corrected errors in its bookkeeping that totaled $2.3 trillion -- more than the entire federal budget," Thompson said in a statement, calling them "changes made to plug holes for things they couldn't explain."
"Congress is not assured that DoD is spending money in accordance with its wishes," the GAO's Jacobson said.
Despite their criticisms, Jacobson and others say the Pentagon is improving. Its comptroller, William Lynn, said in a statement that the military's computer systems are good enough to make it accountable to Congress. But he added: "Unfortunately, they do not do a good job of producing financial statements."
The first year agencies were required to say whether their books could be audited was fiscal 1996. This is the fourth consecutive year the Pentagon has answered no.
"When you spend money, you account for it -- that is required in the federal government," Jacobson said. "But DoD doesn't have that. They just say, ... `We had money, we spent it.'
"Then they try to go back later and say how they spent it and try to pull the balance sheet together."
so you(and all the twoofers) saying that rummy stole 2.3 trill.....is a LIE
Read the 1999 DoD audit report. $2.3 TRILLION unaccounted for under the CLINTON admin.
yes it was all accounted for
try actually reading and researching, instead of bring up 14 year old debunked twoofer lies
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from 2000
Pentagon's finances in disarray
By JOHN M. DONNELLY The Associated Press 03/03/2000 5:44 PM Eastern
WASHINGTON (AP) -- The military's money managers last year made almost $7 trillion in adjustments to their financial ledgers in an attempt to make them add up, the Pentagon's inspector general said in a report released Friday.
The Pentagon could not show receipts for $2.3 trillion of those changes, and half a trillion dollars of it was just corrections of mistakes made in earlier adjustments.
Each adjustment represents a Defense Department accountant's attempt to correct a discrepancy. The military has hundreds of computer systems to run accounts as diverse as health care, payroll and inventory. But they are not integrated, don't produce numbers up to accounting standards and fail to keep running totals of what's coming in and what's going out, Pentagon and congressional officials said.
"These ($6.9 trillion in) entries were processed to force financial data to agree with various data sources, to correct errors and to add new data," the inspector general said. "The magnitude of accounting entries required to compile the DoD financial statements highlights the significant problems DoD has producing accurate and reliable financial statements with existing systems and processes."
The department's "internal controls were not adequate to ensure that resources were properly managed and accounted for, that DoD complied with applicable laws and regulations and that the financial statements were free of material misstatements," the report said.
"One expects that the financial statements of an entity, whether of an agency or a company, should reflect accurately what the department or company has and fairly present the results of their operations," said Jay Lane, chief of the inspector general's finance and accounting directorate. "We're saying we can't audit that to tell you that."
The military says it owns $119.3 billion in ships, trucks, jet engines and more. But its inspector general said he could not verify that because records lacked supporting documentation.
The U.S. military's financial records are not in good enough shape to face an audit, let alone pass one, the inspector general said.
As jumbled as its books are, the Pentagon is not alone: Only 11 of 24 big federal agencies could produce reliable financial statements for the fiscal year that ended Sept. 30, said Sen. Fred Thompson, R-Tenn., chairman of the Senate Governmental Affairs committee.
Still, the Pentagon had much more not to account for than the other 10 agencies. The military says it spent $275.5 billion in fiscal 1999, just under half of the $575 billion Congress appropriated for the federal government, according to Lisa Jacobson, director of defense financial audits at the General Accounting Office. The GAO is Congress' auditing arm.
The inability to account for where the money went doesn't just make the military less efficient, she and others said, but also makes the armed forces less responsive to the will of Congress. Without sound costing data, the Pentagon can't make good decisions, they contend. For example, they say, the military can't measure the results of closing a base; can't effectively decide whether to contract out a service or keep it in government hands; may inaccurately peg the cost of programs under debate, from national missile defense to retirees' health care.
"Last year, the Defense Department corrected errors in its bookkeeping that totaled $2.3 trillion -- more than the entire federal budget," Thompson said in a statement, calling them "changes made to plug holes for things they couldn't explain."
"Congress is not assured that DoD is spending money in accordance with its wishes," the GAO's Jacobson said.
Despite their criticisms, Jacobson and others say the Pentagon is improving. Its comptroller, William Lynn, said in a statement that the military's computer systems are good enough to make it accountable to Congress. But he added: "Unfortunately, they do not do a good job of producing financial statements."
The first year agencies were required to say whether their books could be audited was fiscal 1996. This is the fourth consecutive year the Pentagon has answered no.
"When you spend money, you account for it -- that is required in the federal government," Jacobson said. "But DoD doesn't have that. They just say, ... `We had money, we spent it.'
"Then they try to go back later and say how they spent it and try to pull the balance sheet together."
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