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Old 03-31-2015, 11:39 AM
 
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So no CHURCH has been forced to marry anyone they choose not to marry, and even a business has found a way around the law.
Which is why these laws are pretty stupid to start with. There are ways around all of these laws so it's better for the people to handle them.
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Old 03-31-2015, 11:39 AM
 
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Such discrimination is sad. Money is money whether the customer is Gay, Black, Mexican, Jewish, Muslim or an Atheist or any other minority. This is a slippery slope.
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Old 03-31-2015, 11:39 AM
 
Location: Middle of nowhere
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But you are forcing them to business with the person, that has no shoes and no shirt on.

Think about it. That is why I keep coming back to the sign we always see on the door.

They have the right to refuse service, period.
No shoes no shirt generally is about health code. It can also be an insurance liability if someone steps on something and gets hurt on the premises.

Try refusing a woman service because she is a woman and see how fast you get sued. There are federal laws regarding discrimination based on sex. No sign in the window nullifies that law.
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Old 03-31-2015, 11:41 AM
 
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http://www.justice.gov/sites/default...-pl103-141.pdf

Here is the law. And you are wrong. The law confirmed that Government may not burden a person's exercise of religion even if the burden results from a rule of general applicability.


This Act applies to ALL Federal AND STATE law...

So the 420 church members can not get in trouble for smoking pot in any state?
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Old 03-31-2015, 11:41 AM
 
Location: New Jersey
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Why should it be law that they must (keep in mind I'm referring to non-essential businesses)? What public need does it fill?
Maybe it fills the need for people to not have to go schlepping around town trying to find a store or service that will trade with them.

Not everyone lives in a large city with many options. Lots of people live in small towns where there may only be one or two, lets say...bakeries! OK, so both bakeries refuse to trade with certain people. Those people now have to either travel to the surrounding towns (if any) or heap humiliation ON THEMSELVES by calling other businesses, saying they are gay, and ASKING if they can do business there.

NO CITIZEN SHOULD HAVE TO ASK IF THEY CAN PATRONIZE A BUSINESS!!!

It's just WRONG, WRONG, WRONG!

The trouble with the people who are for this law is that they have never been discriminated against. They are not capable of empathy or compassion. They cannot even imagine what it would feel like if they walked into a store or restaurant or any other business and were told they would not be served and would have to leave.
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Old 03-31-2015, 11:41 AM
 
Location: North Pacific
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What Bible are you getting this from?
Posting under you so as to bookmark it. I have to leave, but I will be back, with---the rest of the story.

KJV
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Old 03-31-2015, 11:42 AM
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1993
Year 2015 Calendar

Lots of things have changed for the better since 1993, including this. Institutionalized unjust discrimination is dying out, bit by bit, decade after decade, even if that upsets you.

In his recapitulation press conference today, Pence six times invoked President Clinton's name deferentially. Bill Clinton is over twenty years older and twenty years wiser now. One wonders why Pence didn't think to call President Clinton this week to check in with what this wise older statesman thinks today, rather than, like a predictable reactionary, citing what Clinton said many years ago.

Reactionaries will be reactionary.
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Old 03-31-2015, 11:43 AM
 
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Curves is also a private membership only club. There are "gentlemens clubs" that do not allow women too.
How many private membership only bakeries are there?
If you don't want to serve the public open a private club.
It's not private. Any woman can join. But to your point.....so the way around say a music store not giving lessons to say, blacks would be to charge up front for the lessons?
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Old 03-31-2015, 11:48 AM
 
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Such discrimination is sad. Money is money whether the customer is Gay, Black, Mexican, Jewish, Muslim or an Atheist or any other minority. This is a slippery slope.

And people are people, doesn't matter what ethnic group one belongs to or their sexual orientation.


I think Indiana is opening themselves up for huge litigations against discrimination of any kind.
Employment Non-Discrimination Act

The Problem

Qualified, hardworking Americans are denied job opportunities, fired or otherwise discriminated against just because they are lesbian, gay, bisexual or transgender (LGBT). There is no federal law that consistently protects LGBT individuals from employment discrimination; there are no state laws in 29 states that explicitly prohibit discrimination based on sexual orientation, and in 32 states that do so based on gender identity. As a result, LGBT people face serious discrimination in employment, including being fired, being denied a promotion and experiencing harassment on the job.
What is the Employment Non-Discrimination Act?

The Employment Non-Discrimination Act (ENDA) would provide basic protections against workplace discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation or gender identity. ENDA simply affords to all Americans basic employment protection from discrimination based on irrational prejudice. The bill is closely modeled on existing civil rights laws, including Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and the Americans with Disabilities Act. The bill explicitly prohibits preferential treatment and quotas and does not permit disparate impact suits. In addition, it exempts small businesses, religious organizations and the military.


more at the link


Employment Non-Discrimination Act | Resources | Human Rights Campaign
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Old 03-31-2015, 11:48 AM
 
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That's your opinion. And people like you are being relegated to the stone age. Ignorance and bigotry are not things to be proud of.
i guess then the ENTIRE 1993 congress, and bill clinton are being relegated to history because they are the ones that passed and signed into law the federal restoration of religious freedoms act. back then democrats celebrated the law, now, because its a republican that is signing a mirror law to the federal one, democrats are now screaming that republicans are trying to discriminate against the LBGT community, and that is pure rubbish.

i dont care if gays want to get married anymore, that is their business not mine. i do however oppose gay marriage, and will not support it in any way. that is MY religious belief. you liberals constantly scream that people have to to tolerant of others, yet when it comes to christian beliefs you refuse to tolerate them. well respect and tolerance goes BOTH WAYS.
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