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Old 04-09-2015, 06:05 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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some of the Casino's have deals where you can eat enough to sustain yourself all day for $5 or so. Do you realize that a good number of TANF recipients live in weekly hotels where there are no cooking facilities other than a mini fridge and a microwave?

I just don't get the attitude- it's YOUR money so you have decided that if it's not in the Bill of Rights then a TANF recipient isn't entitled to it? wow...
But to travel from let's say California to Reno just for a "nice meal" ?
Even that's a bit far fetched.
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Old 04-09-2015, 06:15 PM
 
Location: Free From The Oppressive State
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All of these "maybe" scenarios.

You have food stamps for food.

You have TANF for the child.

Buying a pair of shoes for yourself is NOT what TANF is for.
Buying yourself something at the all you can eat buffet is NOT what TANF is for.
Buying yourself something on a cruise ship is NOT what TANF is for.

ETC.

If you are so poor that you need taxpayer money to help you feed yourself, if you need money to care for your child, then no, you do NOT get to have these "nice meals" and "brand new shoes" and "tattoos" and whatever other excuse people come up with.

Plenty of people in this country work their tails off, support themselves, and know that you don't always get what you want. I work hard, but I can't get everything I want, and a welfare recipient doesn't have money to get everything they want...so what's the difference? With some of the attitudes expressed here, that means that I "deserve" a nice new car, nice new clothes, nice new place to live, nice cruise, and an evening out once in awhile. So feel free to start writing those checks. Better yet, send it to my PayPal, it's quicker.
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Old 04-09-2015, 06:43 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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I do sort of find it funny about how all these poor people on welfare should do what normal people are supposed to do, work and pay bills, etc. but are held to a much higher standard than those not on welfare, same as when you're homeless. No alcohol, no cigs, no treats, no soda, no fun,.........well, as we all know already, when you are the part of society that isn't poor, you can do anything your little heart desires and get away with it. I wonder how many people on here putting down all the poor people smoke and stick the rest of us with their health care problems.
As I said, I don't judge individuals because I don't know the back story.

I do know that being an unwed mother is the single greatest contributing factor to poverty. No doubt, some are widows or were abandoned or abused. Most however engaged in unprotected sex. The guy does not stick around and may not be employed or is such a jerk, mom says father unknown. Engaging in unprotected sex is a choice two people make and it's irresponsible to do so without a reasonable ability to pay for the consequences.

TANF requires an able- bodied adult to work or train for work at least 20 hours a week. The TANF benefit is for the children and exists to keep the family intact. The TANF benefit is not for the entertainment or pleasure of the parent.

Single people without children do not qualify for the TANF benefit.

Once mom becomes self- sustaining she is free to spend her income as she pleases. Until then, there is an expectation that mom will use the TANF benefit as intended, for her children.
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Old 04-09-2015, 06:45 PM
 
Location: Living rent free in your head
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Maine. You go to the store, you buy food with your EBT, you request cash back at the swipe thing, the store gives you cash back. Seen it with my own two eyes, no, there was no TANF on that card. Not everyone can get TANF.
How do you know there was no TANF on the card? In Maine the same card is used for SNAP and TANF.
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Old 04-09-2015, 06:54 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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that is a stupid comment
Feeling humiliated is a choice.

Sounds like your grandmother was a saint and did what she could to keep her son's family intact. How does the clucking of strangers in a line define her? Why give ignorant strangers that sort of power over you?

I would have liked to have met and thanked her for putting her life on hold and raising another generation of children instead of letting the state take them.
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Old 04-09-2015, 06:54 PM
 
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People who get welfare should have to do something to get it. It should never be free on their part. At the very least, make them run on a treadmill or stationary bike to recharge their benefits. They could hook up these bikes and treadmills to generators that give power to a local school or nursing home. Just have them do something that involves work on their part so they learn about actually earning something.
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Old 04-09-2015, 07:00 PM
 
Location: Living rent free in your head
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Feeling humiliated is a choice.

Sounds like your grandmother was a saint and did what she could to keep her son's family intact. How does the clucking of strangers in a line define her? Why give ignorant strangers that sort of power over you?

I would have liked to have met and thanked her for putting her life on hold and raising another generation of children instead of letting the state take them.
My grandmother felt nothing but shame because she was standing in line in a store where she had shopped (with cash mind you) all of her life. No one in her family had ever received a dime from the government and she was proud of that. When ladies in the store who she had known for years would whisper or point at her she was absolutely devastated. Humiliated by her own choice? I think not.
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Old 04-09-2015, 07:03 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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Not exactly..yes, TANF is restricted to adults with children, but it is a family benefit and there is no prohibition from using the benefits on things that do not directly benefit the children..yes, even welfare moms are allowed to buy shoes.
TANF has 4 purposes and none of those purposes have anything to do with entertaining or pampering the adult in the family.

A single person without children does not qualify for TANF.
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Old 04-09-2015, 07:03 PM
 
Location: Living rent free in your head
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But to travel from let's say California to Reno just for a "nice meal" ?
Even that's a bit far fetched.
I never said a word about traveling from California to Reno but if you live in Lake Tahoe the border intersects the town, so it's hardly 'traveling to Nevada'.
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Old 04-09-2015, 07:13 PM
 
Location: Living rent free in your head
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TANF has 4 purposes and none of those purposes have anything to do with entertaining or pampering the adult in the family.

A single person without children does not qualify for TANF.
I know that it is not given to a single person, I am almost positive that I said that in response to another post. But who is going to be the arbiter of what constitutes entertaining or pampering? What if the parent needs a haircut, or clothes- are you going to tell me that they are not supposed to 'indulge' themselves with those 'luxuries'? Maybe what you are missing here is that except for the horror stories you see on Fox News about welfare abuse, most people who get aid do little entertaining, for the most part their entire life is a struggle. And unless they have a kid under 5 by Federal law they are in job training or working.

I am sure there are people working the system, that happens. Heck, there are people out there collecting Grandma's Social Security long after she died. But why do you feel the need to dictate down to the penny how these people spend the few hundred dollars we give them because a very small percentage are not responsible or are cheats? And who is going to make these decisions?

I think it's about demonizing the poor, nothing more- and nothing less.
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