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Old 04-24-2015, 09:49 AM
 
Location: Iowa
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This is a serious question. In 50 years, when thinking Americans, political scientists and historians look back on the two terms of President Barack Obama, will they conclude that racism was the primary motivating factor in the continued obstructionism of a Republican House and Senate?

I understand that the GOP wants this President (and by extension, much of America) to fail, I get that. I also understand that the GOP represents the richest 1% of America, as well as corporations and their shareholders, both of which contain the wealthiest white Americans.

I am not asking about those who vote Republican, whether or not they are racist is immaterial, I am talking about the Republican membership of the 111th, 112th, 113th and 114th United States Congress.

Considering they have put forth little reason to be overwhelmingly obstructionist during the Presidency of the United States first African-American President, someone who has bent over backwards to appease Republicans, will history view the overwhelmingly white, older, male membership of the GOP as racist? Will President Obama breaking the color barrier, and the irrational level of opposition faced in doing so, be attributed to a Jim Crow level of disdain for this nations first black President?

Or will this opposition to President Obama be rationalized as something else in 2066?
I must have missed that...what I remember was a president that:

  • Flew around the country, surrounding himself with sycophants and giving speeches demagoguing the Republicans every time he had the chance..
  • Saying idiotic things like "I won", "I have a pen and I have a phone", "I will not negotiate" and the constant threatening to veto.
  • ...etc., etc., etc...

Yeah, that's "bending over backwards to appease".

I think historians will look back and wonder how in the hell did this guy get elected...twice.
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Old 04-24-2015, 09:50 AM
 
Location: Flyover Country
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He is being obstructed simply because he is an America hating POS and is treasonous.
Alrighty then.
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Old 04-24-2015, 09:50 AM
 
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No. Racism and discrimination will always exist in one form or another.
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Old 04-24-2015, 09:54 AM
 
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It takes two to tango. Both parties have become more entrenched and uncooperative. The GOP has become more conservative. The Democrats have become more liberal. There's been far too much "my way or the highway" on both sides of the aisle. Remember after Obama won? Remember him telling the Republicans, in essence, "You lost and we won. Now we get to do whatever we want and you can't do anything about it." Needless to say, that seriously pissed of a lot of Republicans. Since then, you have the TEA Party on one side and the Progressives on the other -- both dragging their party, farther away from moderacy. Moderates on both sides are increasingly hated. Compromise has become a four letter word.
This is what you call a "false equivalency"

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The Obama presidency will be remembered as an era of undoing much of the progress this nation had previously made at eliminating racism. Very unfortunate.
I'm sorry, but that is nonsense. While I appreciate your response, I find it hard to believe that someone would blame President Obama for the racism he has faced in breaking the color barrier, especially since he has worked hard at being "No Drama Obama".
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Old 04-24-2015, 09:55 AM
 
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This is a serious question. In 50 years, when thinking Americans, political scientists and historians look back on the two terms of President Barack Obama, will they conclude that racism was the primary motivating factor
So you're saying historians will conclude black people are failures?
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Old 04-24-2015, 10:00 AM
 
Location: Iowa, USA
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I'm sorry, but that is nonsense. While I appreciate your response, I find it hard to believe that someone would blame President Obama for the racism he has faced in breaking the color barrier, especially since he has worked hard at being "No Drama Obama".
But what racism? What has Obama faced by he Republican congress that can ONLY be explained with racism?
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Old 04-24-2015, 10:01 AM
 
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news flash OP,

Stimulus bill is a complete failure, not because Obama is black, but because it failed and anyone with half a brain knows you cant fight poverty by creating policies designed to increase it.
ACA is a complete failure, again, not because Obama is black, but because it was destined to fail.

The whole notion that Obamas policies are failing because he's black could only be argued if you believe black people fail. Conservatives dont believe this is true, only Democrats, they are the only ones who make an issue out of him being black.

Obama failed, just like the notion of this thread.
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Old 04-24-2015, 10:13 AM
 
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This is a serious question. In 50 years, when thinking Americans, political scientists and historians look back on the two terms of President Barack Obama, will they conclude that racism was the primary motivating factor in the continued obstructionism of a Republican House and Senate?
It could be. Perhaps this can be viewed as a cross-over point from a largely homogeneous Republic to a kind of metastasized Yugoslavia.

People generally will form up teams along obvious fault lines, and the central government will have to become more powerful over time to hold the center together. We've now entered an era of race-based spoils systems, and the Obama administration has merely made that obvious to everyone.

A better question is whether it will get better or worse over the next 50 years, I'm betting worse and orienting my own lifestyle with that notion in mind.
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Old 04-24-2015, 10:18 AM
 
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This is a serious question. In 50 years, when thinking Americans, political scientists and historians look back on the two terms of President Barack Obama, will they conclude that racism was the primary motivating factor in the continued obstructionism of a Republican House and Senate?

I understand that the GOP wants this President (and by extension, much of America) to fail, I get that. I also understand that the GOP represents the richest 1% of America, as well as corporations and their shareholders, both of which contain the wealthiest white Americans.

I am not asking about those who vote Republican, whether or not they are racist is immaterial, I am talking about the Republican membership of the 111th, 112th, 113th and 114th United States Congress.

Considering they have put forth little reason to be overwhelmingly obstructionist during the Presidency of the United States first African-American President, someone who has bent over backwards to appease Republicans, will history view the overwhelmingly white, older, male membership of the GOP as racist? Will President Obama breaking the color barrier, and the irrational level of opposition faced in doing so, be attributed to a Jim Crow level of disdain for this nations first black President?

Or will this opposition to President Obama be rationalized as something else in 2066?
If the premise of your question is correct that they are "thinking Americans," then no.
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Old 04-24-2015, 10:20 AM
 
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This is a serious question. In 50 years, when thinking Americans, political scientists and historians look back on the two terms of President Barack Obama, will they conclude that racism was the primary motivating factor in the continued obstructionism of a Republican House and Senate?

I understand that the GOP wants this President (and by extension, much of America) to fail, I get that. I also understand that the GOP represents the richest 1% of America, as well as corporations and their shareholders, both of which contain the wealthiest white Americans.

I am not asking about those who vote Republican, whether or not they are racist is immaterial, I am talking about the Republican membership of the 111th, 112th, 113th and 114th United States Congress.

Considering they have put forth little reason to be overwhelmingly obstructionist during the Presidency of the United States first African-American President, someone who has bent over backwards to appease Republicans, will history view the overwhelmingly white, older, male membership of the GOP as racist? Will President Obama breaking the color barrier, and the irrational level of opposition faced in doing so, be attributed to a Jim Crow level of disdain for this nations first black President?

Or will this opposition to President Obama be rationalized as something else in 2066?
No, they will see thru the democrat's political hype for the pathetic race baiting that it was, and is.
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