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Old 05-01-2015, 10:29 AM
 
Location: Southwest Minneapolis
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I run across a lot of people that describe themselves as fiscally conservative and socially liberal. The general mindset of this group is, "I don't care who marries whom, as long as I don't have to pay for the wedding." This falls pretty well in line with libertarian principles.

There are also many people who are committed conservatives and committed liberals across the board.

However, I don't think I've ever heard someone say that they are socially conservative but support more liberal fiscal policies. I have two questions:

Is it just me, or do these people not exist?

If not, why do social conservatism and fiscal liberalism appear to be mutually exclusive?
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Old 05-01-2015, 10:33 AM
 
Location: Just over the horizon
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Nope.

I know plenty of people who are at least somewhat the opposite, but I don't know anyone who fits your description.
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Old 05-01-2015, 10:36 AM
 
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yeah, my family pretty much is along those lines back in southern indiana. All retired baptist who love unions, minimum wage, etc. . but hate gay marriage and whatever else


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I run across a lot of people that describe themselves as fiscally conservative and socially liberal. The general mindset of this group is, "I don't care who marries whom, as long as I don't have to pay for the wedding." This falls pretty well in line with libertarian principles.

There are also many people who are committed conservatives and committed liberals across the board.

However, I don't think I've ever heard someone say that they are socially conservative but support more liberal fiscal policies. I have two questions:

Is it just me, or do these people not exist?

If not, why do social conservatism and fiscal liberalism appear to be mutually exclusive?
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Old 05-01-2015, 10:38 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Socially liberal stance mixed with fiscal conservatism is a contradiction, because social liberalism demands fiscal socialism like wealth redistribution through welfare.
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Old 05-01-2015, 10:38 AM
 
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I'm not really even sure what "socially liberal" means anymore. If it means you don't oppose gay marriage, then I'd say the overwhelming majority of conservatives would then classify themselves as "socially liberal, fiscally conservative". But surely there's more to it than that?

I can't imagine a person who opposes gay marriage, but then also supports larger taxes to support a welfare state, etc. I'd like to find one though, it would be interesting.
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Old 05-01-2015, 11:02 AM
 
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One of the most glaring juxtapositions in politics. When a liberal comes to find the lord becomes a Christian and now finds themselves at odds with all that they believed. Most often Union members. Seen many people twisted up by realization they cant serve Christ and the Democrat party.
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Old 05-01-2015, 11:08 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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I run across a lot of people that describe themselves as fiscally conservative and socially liberal. The general mindset of this group is, "I don't care who marries whom, as long as I don't have to pay for the wedding." This falls pretty well in line with libertarian principles.

There are also many people who are committed conservatives and committed liberals across the board.

However, I don't think I've ever heard someone say that they are socially conservative but support more liberal fiscal policies. I have two questions:

Is it just me, or do these people not exist?

If not, why do social conservatism and fiscal liberalism appear to be mutually exclusive?


Do you know anyone who's socially conservative and fiscally liberal?



That is a tough one. Fiscally as in financially....

Well, you would be following the Constitution and looking at all americans as one, equally.
It would still lead to debt and over spending.
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Old 05-01-2015, 11:20 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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If you have ever played a SIM game on the computer, you will understand economics a little better and how the two mind sets politically, come at it to achieve their greatness.


In those games there is always a way to raise revenues or resources. Then you spend those resources to build your farm, town/city, village, military base, or apartment building.

Here is were the two mindsets and political ideas come into play:
Person A.) They will get some resources and search around to see where they can spend it.
Person B.) They will get some resources. They have already assessed the situation and where the first improvements need to be made. It may take more money, but they save it, so that purchase will bring in more resource quicker and be able to afford all the other stuff quicker.

Take my city. They spend it as fast as they can get it. Frilly stuff and beautification. Then when the roads are really getting bad needing fixing, we also have a boom making the roads very congested. They have no money to upgrade and add. NONE. So out goes the call to raise property taxes and bonds. Then after all that, they bring in a private company from China, to build toll roads and own them for 100 years, with the city/county responsible for repairs(which they already need) The only revenue off these roads are the speeding tickets the cops issue.
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Old 05-01-2015, 11:23 AM
 
Location: Maryland
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If you have ever played a SIM game on the computer, you will understand economics a little better and how the two mind sets politically, come at it to achieve their greatness.


In those games there is always a way to raise revenues or resources. Then you spend those resources to build your farm, town/city, village, military base, or apartment building.

Here is were the two mindsets and political ideas come into play:
Person A.) They will get some resources and search around to see where they can spend it.
Person B.) They will get some resources. They have already assessed the situation and where the first improvements need to be made. It may take more money, but they save it, so that purchase will bring in more resource quicker and be able to afford all the other stuff quicker.

Take my city. They spend it as fast as they can get it. Frilly stuff and beautification. Then when the roads are really getting bad needing fixing, we also have a boom making the roads very congested. They have no money to upgrade and add. NONE. So out goes the call to raise property taxes and bonds. Then after all that, they bring in a private company from China, to build toll roads and own them for 100 years, with the city/county responsible for repairs(which they already need) The only revenue off these roads are the speeding tickets the cops issue.
I never get that far. In every sim game I build something, then I start playing God and try to destroy it.
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Old 05-01-2015, 12:03 PM
 
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Take my city. They spend it as fast as they can get it. Frilly stuff and beautification. Then when the roads are really getting bad needing fixing, we also have a boom making the roads very congested. They have no money to upgrade and add. NONE. So out goes the call to raise property taxes and bonds. Then after all that, they bring in a private company from China, to build toll roads and own them for 100 years, with the city/county responsible for repairs(which they already need) The only revenue off these roads are the speeding tickets the cops issue.
I assume you named it Austin Tx.
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