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Let's just make it clear here. I do not support the actions of the shooters. They are flat out wrong. I condemn the inflammatory actions of the instigators, the American Freedom Defense Initiative and Pam Geller, directly.
I will acknowledge that the one positive result of the event was it drew a couple of home grown terrorists out of the woodwork and and exposed them to their obvious conclusion.
Unfortunately, Pam Geller and her ilk will continue to inflame and incite all the lowest common denominators to do hateful, stupid things.
And in this country, it's her right to do so and not expect that speech to be met with violence. Free speech isn't easy but for us to blame people engaged in free speech, even speech we disagree with vehemently, is victim blaming at the end of the day.
I think it irks you to think of Pam Geller as a victim but point of fact, that's exactly what her and her group are if they are the targets of violence. She was engaged in lawful behavior and someone tried to commit a crime by shooting up an event she hosted. That's makes her a victim of this crime.
And in this country, it's her right to do so and not expect that speech to be met with violence. Free speech isn't easy but for us to blame people engaged in free speech, even speech we disagree with vehemently, is victim blaming at the end of the day.
I think it irks you to think of Pam Geller as a victim but point of fact, that's exactly what her and her group are if they are the targets of violence. She was engaged in lawful behavior and someone tried to commit a crime by shooting up an event she hosted. That's makes her a victim of this crime.
you're right she is a victim. A vicious, hateful, stupid victim from where I stand.
The blame rests entirely upon the two dead nutjobs. They chose to react the way they did. In the US no one has the right to not be offended. Because speech can be offensive is precisely why we have the first amendment. It is up to the individuals to control their reactions to opposing ideas which offend. Many groups are offended without turning to violence. Muslims get no pass on this. It is their fault alone for reacting as they do.
Question: Taking into consideration of what happens when anyone publishes any likeness (cartoon or no) of Mohammed, what exactly did they think was going to happen? Everyone getting together, joining hands, and singing Kumbaya?
That **** was meant to incite, make no mistake.
Oh, and that pesky 1st amendment pertains to GOVERNMENT control of free speech.
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One group was displaying satirical cartoons. The other group was intent on carrying out a mass murder with automatic weapons. And you can't see the difference?
As told by the Southern Poverty Law Center. Who have a HUGE list of anti-muslim hate groups, but no anti-christian hate groups.
you're right she is a victim. A vicious, hateful, stupid victim from where I stand.
Don't forget, she is also a bully. What is the difference in what she is doing compared to "inciting a riot, yelling "fire" in a movie theater, or saying "hijack" on a plane? Those are all illegal due to safety reasons.
Let's just make it clear here. I do not support the actions of the shooters. They are flat out wrong. I condemn the inflammatory actions of the instigators, the American Freedom Defense Initiative and Pam Geller, directly.
I will acknowledge that the one positive result of the event was it drew a couple of home grown terrorists out of the woodwork and and exposed them to their obvious conclusion.
Unfortunately, Pam Geller and her ilk will continue to inflame and incite all the lowest common denominators to do hateful, stupid things.
If they are inflamed and incited to commit acts of terrorism, that's on THEM. We live in the US, where everyone is free to do hateful, stupid things.
Let's just make it clear here. I do not support the actions of the shooters. They are flat out wrong. I condemn the inflammatory actions of the instigators, the American Freedom Defense Initiative and Pam Geller, directly.
I will acknowledge that the one positive result of the event was it drew a couple of home grown terrorists out of the woodwork and and exposed them to their obvious conclusion.
Unfortunately, Pam Geller and her ilk will continue to inflame and incite all the lowest common denominators to do hateful, stupid things.
Will you condemn the organizers of a gay pride parade when Islamic extremists attack it? "Gay Pride" is offensive to radical Islam and a "sin" (whatever the heck they call it) according to their little book.
The blame rests entirely upon the two dead nutjobs. They chose to react the way they did. In the US no one has the right to not be offended. Because speech can be offensive is precisely why we have the first amendment. It is up to the individuals to control their reactions to opposing ideas which offend. Many groups are offended without turning to violence. Muslims get no pass on this. It is their fault alone for reacting as they do.
It's not just a question of blame. Nobody in this thread has argued that the shooters were justified. In the end, they got exactly what they deserved for their actions.
It is a question of motives, incitement and proceeding with an agenda of hate towards another religion while hiding behind the 1st amendment.
I find Geller and her crew's actions reprehensible and no better than yelling "Fire" in a crowded theater when there is none.
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