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Old 05-14-2015, 10:24 AM
 
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What I did like is that the cartoon brought up the fact that 30 million will still remain uninsured. I'll have to check number again, but I believe that 40 million were uninsured prior to the ACA. That's a lot of money spent to help just 10 million.
That number would be incorrect. We had about 32 million uninsured americans, + 14 million illegals, Pre ACA. Since the illegals arent covered, they dont count. We currently have about 34 million uninsured, and never projected to fall below 30 million, while expected to spend $1.7 TRILLION

its a hell of a lot of money to help "2 million" and thats if it hits its goal.

7 million lost employer based policies
4 million lost private policies..

Demcorats celebrate.
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Old 05-14-2015, 10:29 AM
 
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I wrote a variation. Medicare uses private insurance companies. A lot. But they are subject to Medicare rules and regulations. And it works quite well.

Even the current governor of Florida understands it very well.

The truth is that people are finally beginning to understand just how expensive health care (and insurance) is in this country.
Here is a quick overview of a system I'd like to see.

First, you have the private system like we had before with a few rule changes that would impact portability, preexisting conditions, coverage across state lines and published costs.

Second, you have a medical branch of government much like the military. We have hospitals like bases and clinics like recruiting posts. Just like the military, you can sign up and be trained to be a nurse, doctor, orderly, etc. You get trained and then deployed somewhere in the US. You do your time and then you can "re-enlist" if you chose. If you are treating by the government, they collect your information including your social security number. You get billed according to how much you make, and you might carry a liability on your taxes for X years. So if you get treated and three years later start making a lot of money, you'd essentially be back billed a percentage.

Well, that's my idea.
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Old 05-14-2015, 10:30 AM
 
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That number would be incorrect. We had about 32 million uninsured americans, + 14 million illegals, Pre ACA. Since the illegals arent covered, they dont count. We currently have about 34 million uninsured, and never projected to fall below 30 million, while expected to spend $1.7 TRILLION

its a hell of a lot of money to help "2 million" and thats if it hits its goal.

7 million lost employer based policies
4 million lost private policies..

Demcorats celebrate.
Wow, worse than I thought.
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Old 05-14-2015, 10:31 AM
 
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You do realize the exchange is the website right ?????
yep... so much money wasted too.
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Old 05-14-2015, 10:34 AM
 
Location: Stasis
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[font=Verdana]The Republicans have a proposed replacement ready to go:

1. The Impressive New Obamacare Replace Plan From Republicans Burr, Hatch, And Upton - Forbes
Sounds just like Obamacare with a tweak but they call it something else.
- tax credits
- guarantee that all Americans could obtain health coverage irrespective of pre-existing conditions
- higher subsidies for the uninsured.
- Medicaid and Medicare reform
- Medical malpractice reform (remove a patients's right to sue) - but this will have a negligible effect on premiums
- Interstate insurance purchasing - this would/could be a good move but I doubt it will have a big effect on premiums
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Old 05-14-2015, 10:37 AM
 
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It's clear that some of you have no idea how ACA (Obamacare) works, and that you have been listening to partisan talking points in piecemeal. It'd be good if you understood something that you revile. Y'all like a cartoon, right? Here you go, watch this: The Simplest Explanation Of Obamacare. Ever.

Mick
Gays now have to pay for maternity care. At 54 I now have insurance with maternity care and dental care for kids I don't have. My insurance policy premiums cost about 35% and my deductibles doubled.
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Old 05-14-2015, 10:44 AM
 
Location: Chesapeake Bay
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Here is a quick overview of a system I'd like to see.

First, you have the private system like we had before with a few rule changes that would impact portability, preexisting conditions, coverage across state lines and published costs.

Second, you have a medical branch of government much like the military. We have hospitals like bases and clinics like recruiting posts. Just like the military, you can sign up and be trained to be a nurse, doctor, orderly, etc. You get trained and then deployed somewhere in the US. You do your time and then you can "re-enlist" if you chose. If you are treating by the government, they collect your information including your social security number. You get billed according to how much you make, and you might carry a liability on your taxes for X years. So if you get treated and three years later start making a lot of money, you'd essentially be back billed a percentage.

Well, that's my idea.
Skip all that. Just go with a variation of Medicare. Its good and is available nationwide. Everyone knows it, its popular, provides good health insurance. Also include the provision that Medicare can negotiate drug prices.
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Old 05-14-2015, 10:45 AM
 
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That number would be incorrect. We had about 32 million uninsured americans, + 14 million illegals, Pre ACA. Since the illegals arent covered, they dont count. We currently have about 34 million uninsured, and never projected to fall below 30 million, while expected to spend $1.7 TRILLION

its a hell of a lot of money to help "2 million" and thats if it hits its goal.

7 million lost employer based policies
4 million lost private policies..

Demcorats celebrate.
Employers cut full time employees
Part time employment increased
7 million lost employer based policies
4 million lost private policies..


Demcorats celebrate!
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Old 05-14-2015, 10:49 AM
 
Location: Chesapeake Bay
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Employers cut full time employees
Part time employment increased
7 million lost employer based policies
4 million lost private policies..


Demcorats celebrate!
Got a link re the celebration?
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Old 05-14-2015, 10:55 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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So what would be the replacement?
They will default to the Federal exchange.

This is a tech issue- nothing to do with law or insurance.

It was initially envisioned that most states would develop their own healthcare exchange technology. The initial scope of the federal exchange model did not anticipate most states would not develop their own. Reality was the opposite thus the initial rollout challenges.

Some states who went the route of developing their own model, did a good job. Others, like Hawaii, not so much.
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