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Old 05-29-2015, 08:53 AM
 
Location: West Michigan
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The National Endowment for the Arts once gave money to an "artist" who put a crucifix with Jesus on the cross in a jar of urine. Same thing, no violence from the Christians.
It certainly upset a lot of Christians who were very vocal about taking that guy's freedom of speech away, though, and that crucifix in urine was just as distasteful as the cartoon contest. With free speech comes responsibility and the point of either one of these so-called statements was/is to cause trouble. The bikers are just looking for a fight and that artist was just looking for his fifteen minutes of fame. Best to ignore them both and don't give them what they want.

 
Old 05-29-2015, 08:55 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Bikers to hold cartoon contest
They are clearly looking for a fight. It's funny/sad because if you arranged this kind of event to draw anti-gay cartoons, they'd probably arrest you, but when it's against religious groups, its ok.
 
Old 05-29-2015, 08:56 AM
 
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This isn't art. The people holding this rally probably couldn't tell you the difference between post-modernism and cubism, even between Manet and Monet.

These people are simple using "freedom of speech" and "art" as a cover for racially based intimidation.
This has nothing to do with race. Anyone, black, yellow, brown, red or white can be a Muslim.

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It seems the only difference between this and the KKK is that this group has drawn some third rate cartoons beforehand.

They have the right to do this no doubt, but any cultured American should be appalled by this behavior.
Low brow art is sort of in now.
 
Old 05-29-2015, 09:02 AM
 
Location: Aztlan
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It certainly upset a lot of Christians who were very vocal about taking that guy's freedom of speech away, though, and that crucifix in urine was just as distasteful as the cartoon contest. With free speech comes responsibility and the point of either one of these so-called statements was/is to cause trouble. The bikers are just looking for a fight and that artist was just looking for his fifteen minutes of fame. Best to ignore them both and don't give them what they want.
I wonder if your opinion is clouded because these people are "bikers". What if they were nuns?
 
Old 05-29-2015, 09:05 AM
 
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I wonder if your opinion is clouded because these people are "bikers". What if they were nuns?
It's often times bikers standing up to the Westboro bunch. I never hear any complaints then.
 
Old 05-29-2015, 09:08 AM
 
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The bikers had better exercise both their First Amendment and Second Amendment rights simultaneously. If the Muslims attack and are shot you can bet that CAIR will call the Muslim terrorists "victims".
You know, the method ISIS is now using in Iraq is to drive a hijacked gasoline truck--often several at one time--directly into their targets and detonate them (the ground-based version of the 9/11 attack). So what are those bikers going to do to deflect three or four gasoline trucks crashing into their venue?
 
Old 05-29-2015, 09:09 AM
 
Location: Aztlan
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It certainly upset a lot of Christians who were very vocal about taking that guy's freedom of speech away, though, and that crucifix in urine was just as distasteful as the cartoon contest. With free speech comes responsibility and the point of either one of these so-called statements was/is to cause trouble. The bikers are just looking for a fight and that artist was just looking for his fifteen minutes of fame. Best to ignore them both and don't give them what they want.
I wrote a paper for college credit that stated certain musical bands had a responsibility to not promote anti-religious views. My professor countered that with a note on the paper that I should hold pastors/priests to the same standard. His argument was why should they get a free pass but no others. The reality is that couching one view in "responsibility" is not going to sit well with someone who holds an opposing view and is actually an encroachment on free speech itself.
 
Old 05-29-2015, 09:11 AM
 
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You know, the method ISIS is now using in Iraq is to drive a hijacked gasoline truck--often several at one time--directly into their targets and detonate them (the ground-based version of the 9/11 attack). So what are those bikers going to do to deflect three or four gasoline trucks crashing into their venue?
There isn't going to be a need to.
 
Old 05-29-2015, 09:11 AM
 
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in Phoenix outside an Islamic community center.


Muhammad cartoon contest planned for Phoenix anti-Islam rally - ABC15 Arizona

I don't think this will have a good ending.


PHOENIX - An anti-Islam rally in Phoenix on Friday will feature a Muhammad cartoon-drawing contest.
The scheduled location is outside the Islamic Community Center in north Phoenix.
The gathering comes less than a month after a similar event in Texas sparked gunfire that left two men, both from Phoenix, dead.
The organizer said he had to do “something” because he does not want Islam spreading in the U.S.
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"............ left two men, both from Phoenix, dead."



No, left two Islamic Terrorists dead.
 
Old 05-29-2015, 09:13 AM
 
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Why not? MLK wasn't a Muslim, he was a Christian. I consider Malcolm X the more effective civil rights leader, and he was a Muslim.
Malcolm X wasn't actually involved in Civil Rights at all, and said so himself...he was a black separationist. He got a lot of press and knew how to work the media, but overall had little influence among most black Americans. Most blacks were firmly embedded into Christianity, and during that time the churches were where Civil Rights activity was organized. That's why you see so many "reverends" as leaders during that era. Malcolm X had zero activity in those venues.
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