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Old 05-30-2015, 05:09 AM
 
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The free market will decide.
The free market is going to take their jobs elsewhere if they can.

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Others will become higher value jobs.
Nope those making above minimum now will most likely not see much of an increase if any, the higher minimum rate will drive up living costs. Effectively a pay cut for them.
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Old 05-30-2015, 05:40 AM
 
Location: Bella Vista, Ark
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I did a google search. FOX is the only one talking about this, along with the usual circus of right wing sources that cite FOX news. In circumstances like this, I take the information with a large grain of salt. FOX news lies all the time. I don't mean telling half truths. I mean, telling blatant lies and spreading misinformation. As a former viewer, I can't stand FOX news any longer.
no true, we saw it on our local news and it certainly isn't FOX. you need to stop depending on Google for your information. There is no one source that has it all. You may not like FOX, which is your right, but you do need to realize, Goodgle isn't always your friend, anymore than Snopes is always our friend.
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Old 05-30-2015, 06:17 AM
 
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I did a google search. FOX is the only one talking about this, along with the usual circus of right wing sources that cite FOX news. In circumstances like this, I take the information with a large grain of salt. FOX news lies all the time. I don't mean telling half truths. I mean, telling blatant lies and spreading misinformation. As a former viewer, I can't stand FOX news any longer.
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Does the LA Times also lie ?
L.A. labor leaders seek minimum wage exemption for firms with union workers - LA Times

Does the LA Daily News also lie ?
Los Angeles’ minimum wage law moving forward without union exemption

Does Fortune also lie ?
https://fortune.com/2015/05/27/la-minimum-wage-unions/

There are more websites that I could have included but the 3 above should suffice.

I think your google is broke
Andy,

It is not Fox News that is lying about this.

Here is the google search, by the way:

https://www.google.com/search?num=50...21.AnIKx89Gotk
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Old 05-30-2015, 07:56 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Ok. All I saw were quotes like this...

“With a collective bargaining agreement, a business owner and the employees negotiate an agreement that works for them both,” Rusty Hicks, head of the Los Angeles County Federation of Labor, said in a statement. “This provision gives the parties the option, the freedom, to negotiate that agreement. And that is a good thing.”

Who are those so called "labor leaders", and what is it they explicitly want?

Small businesses are exempt for an additional year on top of when this takes effect if, I'm not mistaken. Shouldn't unionized small businesses be included in that exception?
It's in the articles I posted:
What he wants is also in the articles I posted. They want to be able to pay below the new minimum wage, that's what they want.


Rusty Hicks who leads the AFL-CIO in Los Angeles.

The Los Angeles County Federation of Labor, AFL-CIO
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Old 05-30-2015, 09:07 AM
 
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I did a google search. FOX is the only one talking about this, along with the usual circus of right wing sources that cite FOX news. In circumstances like this, I take the information with a large grain of salt. FOX news lies all the time. I don't mean telling half truths. I mean, telling blatant lies and spreading misinformation. As a former viewer, I can't stand FOX news any longer.
You are being blinded by your own bigotry. It all over the news.
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Old 05-30-2015, 10:42 AM
 
Location: Iowa, USA
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Doesn't surprise me.

But I do want to address this issue. People don't seem to support or be against unions and such for any ethical reason. It's what they fight for. We see this with all lobbying power. Liberals are far more willing to accuse large corporations of abusing lobbying powers, while conservatives will go after unions. Yet liberals defend unions because they fight for humanitarian things (even if they themselves feel they don't have to follow those rules) and conservatives support corporate power because it's the free market. But there's no ethics issue; it's just bias.

I'm a liberal and I'm against unions. I support people right to unionize against an employer and demand things from the employer, but I do not believe they, or anyone else, has the right to bully the political system. This is my view on corporate lobbyism either. But unlike the majority of people, I'm against the lobbying no matter what it is they lobby for.

Unions that fight for the environment for example: I tend to support the overwhelming majority of things they want to change. But I don't support the method of doing this. The ends should NEVER justify the means. If it's wrong for billionaires to give brides to politicians, it's wrong for a group of teachers to do it also. Money corrupts the system. It'd be great if employers were required to treat employees like humans, but if the way to do that is to corrupt our already massive failure of a system, I have an ethical responsibility to be against it.

The money needs to be removed from politics, rather it's the money of oligarchs or unionized workers.
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Old 05-30-2015, 12:03 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Unions are no different than corporations. They are a business unto themselves and exist solely because they get workers to give them money.
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Old 05-30-2015, 01:28 PM
 
Location: Metro Detroit, Michigan
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You are being blinded by your own bigotry. It all over the news.
No, I'm asking why a union would want lower wages. Unions depend on dues to support retirees, and whatever agenda they have. The amount of dues collected is a set percentage of the wages earned.

There are also many different unions, both public and private. They all have different motives and agendas, just like special interests groups and corporations.
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Old 05-30-2015, 03:09 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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No, I'm asking why a union would want lower wages. Unions depend on dues to support retirees, and whatever agenda they have. The amount of dues collected is a set percentage of the wages earned.

There are also many different unions, both public and private. They all have different motives and agendas, just like special interests groups and corporations.
It's not that they want to lower wages. They don't want to pay the new higher wages.
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Old 05-30-2015, 03:15 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Well son of a gun. Unions all over CA have negotiated exemption waivers from min wage hikes
Even in Seattle WA in SeaTac. Did you folks know that ?

And these are the same guys that paid for and organized all these "Raise the minimum wage" protests and movements.

Why Unions Exempt Themselves from Hard-Fought Minimum Wage Hikes | Economics21

In California, San Francisco, Oakland, Richmond, Long Beach, and San Jose all have minimum wage laws with exemptions for unionized workplaces.
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Further north, Seattle-Tacoma Airport had the first $15 minimum wage in the United States, voted into law in 2013. Yet employers that have collective-bargaining agreements are not subject to the higher wage.
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Union exemptions to minimum wage laws are not limited to the West Coast. They can also be found in Milwaukee, Wisconsin, and Chicago, Illinois.
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