Welcome to City-Data.com Forum!
U.S. CitiesCity-Data Forum Index
Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Politics and Other Controversies
 [Register]
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
View detailed profile (Advanced) or search
site with Google Custom Search

Search Forums  (Advanced)
Reply Start New Thread
 
Old 05-30-2015, 03:23 PM
 
Location: Metro Detroit, Michigan
29,835 posts, read 24,927,606 times
Reputation: 28537

Advertisements

Sounds like a great plan by unions to increase their ranks. By gaining a competitive advantage in labor costs, unionized labor and the companies that employ them will stand a chance at growing.

Is it any worse than the things corporations do? Or other special interest groups?

At any rate, lets see how many union jobs end up paying below minimum wage. My suspension is, $15/hr won't be viable and will be scrapped, possibly even before implementation. What some out of touch "labor leader" has to say if of little interest or worth. Unions mean very little today, and the things they say are largely ignored anyways. It's funny that these so called labor leaders actually envision themselves as being viable in the future.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message

 
Old 05-30-2015, 03:36 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
86,052 posts, read 84,531,102 times
Reputation: 27720
Quote:
Originally Posted by andywire View Post
Sounds like a great plan by unions to increase their ranks. By gaining a competitive advantage in labor costs, unionized labor and the companies that employ them will stand a chance at growing.

Is it any worse than the things corporations do? Or other special interest groups?

At any rate, lets see how many union jobs end up paying below minimum wage. My suspension is, $15/hr won't be viable and will be scrapped, possibly even before implementation. What some out of touch "labor leader" has to say if of little interest or worth. Unions mean very little today, and the things they say are largely ignored anyways. It's funny that these so called labor leaders actually envision themselves as being viable in the future.
Yeah I think it is a bit worse. Workers will get lower than the $15 min wage and also have to pay union dues.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 05-30-2015, 03:45 PM
 
Location: Metro Detroit, Michigan
29,835 posts, read 24,927,606 times
Reputation: 28537
Quote:
Originally Posted by HappyTexan View Post
Yeah I think it is a bit worse. Workers will get lower than the $15 min wage and also have to pay union dues.
And workers have the freedom to work elsewhere. The unions that want to race to the bottom are welcomed to do so. Not all unions seem to support these so called exemptions. It's also doubtful that the majority will be able to pay below minimum wage for the jobs that need to be filled. Unions are not exempt from forces that help establish market based wages, such as supply and demand.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 05-30-2015, 03:45 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
86,052 posts, read 84,531,102 times
Reputation: 27720
Unions will come in and negotiate wages lower than $15. They'll get the work.
And the workers will end up with lower pay and union dues owed the very folks that got them excluded from this $15/hour min wage law.

The unions have set themselves up pretty nicely there. Cheaper to hire union help then non union help.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 05-30-2015, 03:47 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
86,052 posts, read 84,531,102 times
Reputation: 27720
Quote:
Originally Posted by andywire View Post
And workers have the freedom to work elsewhere. The unions that want to race to the bottom are welcomed to do so. No all unions seem to support these so called exemptions. It's also doubtful that the majority will be able to pay below minimum wage for the jobs that need to be filled.
No one said they are paying below Federal min wage.

These unions will just pay under the new min wage of $15/hour.

That happened in SeaTac. Union workers in the hotels there did not get raises.
Did you not know that ?

I posted an article. Unions all over have done this. Supported higher wages and when the bill passed there were exemptions for them in there.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 05-30-2015, 03:50 PM
 
Location: Metro Detroit, Michigan
29,835 posts, read 24,927,606 times
Reputation: 28537
Quote:
Originally Posted by HappyTexan View Post
No one said they are paying below Federal min wage.

These unions will just pay under the new min wage of $15/hour.

That happened in SeaTac. Union workers in the hotels there did not get raises.
Did you not know that ?

I posted an article. Unions all over have done this. Supported higher wages and when the bill passed there were exemptions for them in there.
Than these workers should vote with their feet. The unions behaving like this are only doing more harm than good in the long run. At any rate, there are hundreds of unions in existence. The actions of one does not represent all. Many unions are simply not viable any longer.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 05-30-2015, 03:54 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
86,052 posts, read 84,531,102 times
Reputation: 27720
Quote:
Originally Posted by andywire View Post
Than these workers should vote with their feet. The unions behaving like this are only doing more harm than good in the long run. At any rate, there are hundreds of unions in existence. The actions of one does not represent all. Many unions are simply not viable any longer.
Well they didn't. They still work there, pay their union dues and complain about not having a living wage.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 05-30-2015, 03:58 PM
 
Location: Metro Detroit, Michigan
29,835 posts, read 24,927,606 times
Reputation: 28537
Quote:
Originally Posted by HappyTexan View Post
Well they didn't. They still work there, pay their union dues and complain about not having a living wage.
More proof that prosperity cannot be legislated. Even still, this does not quantify the actions on unions collectively. There are hundreds of unions.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 05-30-2015, 04:12 PM
 
Location: Fredericktown,Ohio
7,168 posts, read 5,369,489 times
Reputation: 2922
Don't you just want to punch a liberal in the face when you hear them say " unions protect American workers".
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 05-30-2015, 04:20 PM
 
19,573 posts, read 8,528,817 times
Reputation: 10096
Quote:
Originally Posted by Swingblade View Post
Don't you just want to punch a liberal in the face when you hear them say " unions protect American workers".
Unions have had their place in our society before, and I expect there will come a day again when they have their place. Unfortunately, during the current time, most unions are just mob-style shake-down outfits that are all about themselves and their own power and prestige. This story is just one more example among many that illustrates that.

And if the trend in union membership in this country is any indication, American workers know it.

Last edited by Spartacus713; 05-30-2015 at 04:31 PM..
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.

Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.


Reply
Please update this thread with any new information or opinions. This open thread is still read by thousands of people, so we encourage all additional points of view.

Quick Reply
Message:


Over $104,000 in prizes was already given out to active posters on our forum and additional giveaways are planned!

Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Politics and Other Controversies

All times are GMT -6.

© 2005-2024, Advameg, Inc. · Please obey Forum Rules · Terms of Use and Privacy Policy · Bug Bounty

City-Data.com - Contact Us - Archive 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37 - Top