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Old 06-19-2015, 08:25 PM
 
Location: Over the rainbow
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None. Let's focus on our home grown terrorism!!!

On Apr 20, 1871, with passage of the Third Force Act, popularly known as the KuKlux Act, Congress authorizes President Ulysses S. Grant to declare martiallaw, impose heavy penalties againstterrorist organizations, and use military force to suppress the Ku KluxKlan (KKK).

So,the KKK was included in “terrorist organizations” as far back as 1871. They exist today and focus on anti-Semitism and racism.

White supremacy or white supremacism,usually Christian based, is a more general grouping of which the KKK is one faction, promotes the belief, that white people are superior in certain characteristics, traits, and attributes topeople of other racial backgrounds and that therefore whites should politically, economically and socially rule non-whites. Violence is not out of the question.

ISIL claims superiority based on religion. They are an extremist Muslim group.

Both white supremacists and ISIL are extremist hate groups. I fail to see the difference. Yet, fear of “muslims” runs rampant is the subject of "fear" news daily, citing fear of losing “our Christian values”. But everyday white supremacy groups go about their business and there is no uproar. Racism in this country is downplayed – even dismissed by the white Christian majority. I don't get it.
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Old 06-19-2015, 08:29 PM
 
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I don't get it.[/font]
Nope. You sure don't.
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Old 06-19-2015, 08:30 PM
 
Location: Iowa, USA
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Well, one key difference is that ISIL and white supremacy aren't even the same thing. By that I mean, ISIL is a singular thing part of a larger whole while white supremacy is an abstract concept. That's to say, comparing Islamic terrorism to white supremacy would be more logical, but to compare a smaller part of the whole to a group as a whole won't be the most productive way to draw connections.

So let's focus on the white supremacy group you brought up: the Klu Klux Klan.

To compare those, we'll see some large differences. While both are still around, one is far more active than the other. It's also worth noting that only one is currently working to become an independent state, with the intention to expand outward once that goal is achieved.

And as a side not, much of the American opposition to the KKK was also Christian based.
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Old 06-19-2015, 08:41 PM
 
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... comparing Islamic terrorism to white supremacy would be more logical, ...
I thought I was doing that and only used the KKK as an example. But, I appreciate your clarification and offer. OK, please compare white supremacy and Islamic terrorism for me.
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Old 06-19-2015, 08:43 PM
 
Location: Del Rio, TN
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One has killed ~50,000 people this year. The other...none? If you can't "get that", you must be a product of today's educational system.
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Old 06-19-2015, 08:46 PM
 
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Nope. You sure don't.
Ok. I already said that. Please, enlighten me. What is the difference? Why is ISIL considered a terrorist organization (and I agree it is), BUT the white supremacist movement is not?
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Old 06-19-2015, 08:48 PM
 
Location: Fort Worth Texas
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None. Let's focus on our home grown terrorism!!!

On Apr 20, 1871, with passage of the Third Force Act, popularly known as the KuKlux Act, Congress authorizes President Ulysses S. Grant to declare martiallaw, impose heavy penalties againstterrorist organizations, and use military force to suppress the Ku KluxKlan (KKK).

So,the KKK was included in “terrorist organizations” as far back as 1871. They exist today and focus on anti-Semitism and racism.

White supremacy or white supremacism,usually Christian based, is a more general grouping of which the KKK is one faction, promotes the belief, that white people are superior in certain characteristics, traits, and attributes topeople of other racial backgrounds and that therefore whites should politically, economically and socially rule non-whites. Violence is not out of the question.

ISIL claims superiority based on religion. They are an extremist Muslim group.

Both white supremacists and ISIL are extremist hate groups. I fail to see the difference. Yet, fear of “muslims” runs rampant is the subject of "fear" news daily, citing fear of losing “our Christian values”. But everyday white supremacy groups go about their business and there is no uproar. Racism in this country is downplayed – even dismissed by the white Christian majority. I don't get it.
It is not 1871, I understand completely that U do not get it
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Old 06-19-2015, 08:50 PM
 
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One has killed ~50,000 people this year. The other...none? If you can't "get that", you must be a product of today's educational system.
None? Have you heard the news of 9 black worshippers in Charleston, SC being gunned down this week because they were black "."? How many deaths does it take to be significant?
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Old 06-19-2015, 08:50 PM
 
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I thought I was doing that and only used the KKK as an example. But, I appreciate your clarification and offer. OK, please compare white supremacy and Islamic terrorism for me.
Alright. Islamic terrorism operates in groups. There are several organizations that would fall under the 'Islamic terrorism' umbrella, all of which are very much active, several of whom have political power in the Middle East, like ISIL or Hamas. They also have power in Africa.

White Supremacy is no longer like that. Most mass killings done by someone who would be described as a white supremacist was alone or at least not affiliated with an official group and carrying out a act of terror in the name of said group. The most recent even in South Carolina was done by a single individual who was both racist and in desperate need of mental healthcare. There was one a while back in Sweden, who got some media attention for only being sentences to 21 years (which is alarming, if you don't know Sweden's prison system, which the reactionaries who were riled up about it clearly did not).

Point is, white supremacy is basically a lost cause with a few fringe nutcase who still try and makes some waves in a nearly dried up pond. Islamic terrorism (Jihad) however, is still very much alive and possibly growing (it's a hard thing to really measure).
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Old 06-19-2015, 08:52 PM
 
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It is not 1871, I understand completely that U do not get it
It was identified as a problem since 1871 and we haven't truly dealt with it effectively since then. It's still a problem. Then again, I see you are from Texas, so I understand you didn't get my point.
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