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Old 07-04-2015, 11:13 PM
 
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No, white advocacy isn't promoted because there's no such thing as Asian Supremacy, Black Supremacy, Indigenous Supremacy. White people are the one's who mandated segregation and slavery, not the other way around. So calling for white advocacy is a way for the KKK to come about in cloaks. The only reason there is black, Asian, jewish, muslim, and indigenous advocacy is because they weren't allowed the same freedoms as whites were in their home countries, most likely prior colony, or the white countries, most likely a second class citizen. The reason why there are historically black colleges and universities is because blacks weren't allowed in white schools.

Oppression is called oppression because it is one sided. If a sane white person kills a black person he has a chance of getting off with the right resources. The other way around, forget about it. That being said, why do we need advocacy for the majority group that leads the way in civil liberties. What would white people possibly advocate for that others have that they don't? What do civil liberties do black have that whites don't? None. What civil liberties do whites have that blacks don't? Do you want me to start from the beginning?
To be perfectly frank, this above sounds like something a Nazi in the '30's would write about the Jewish-"they are bad and need to be diminished". It's down right alarming. If this isn't considered bigotry than nothing can be.
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Old 07-05-2015, 01:04 AM
 
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White people don't need any advocacy because there is no institutional discrimination against them
Actually, whites in the U.S. are legally discriminated against via racial preferences for non-whites.

That's been true for a long time -- surprised you didn't know it.

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Old 07-05-2015, 01:08 AM
 
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I am so sick and tired of white people crying about not being able to be proud of their whiteness. Every other group that proudly celebrates their pride had to struggle for the ability to be safely proud in public. The pride I feel as a black gay man comes from my ancestors over coming great adversity. It comes from me coming out at 15 and being bullied but refusing to take the easier road. You can not be proud of something you haven't worked for...
Whites work for all kinds of things and always have.

They created most of what we call civilization.

And they are the one race that opened itself up to multiculturalism and non-discrimination before any other races did.
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Old 07-05-2015, 01:11 AM
 
Location: Springfield, Ohio
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The concept of whiteness is rooted in white supremacy, and the idea of dividing people by skin color in the first place. Any "pride" from black, brown, yellow, red, etc stems from their victimization over not being white, and they have been relegated as a sub-culture (based strictly on their skin color) throughout American history.
Pride in European or religious roots which are "white" (i.e. Irish, Italian, Jewish, etc) is one thing; "white pride" by definition is rooted in white supremacy and oppression by "whites" over "non-whites", hence the backlash.
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Old 07-05-2015, 01:13 AM
 
Location: Springfield, Ohio
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Whites work for all kinds of things and always have.

They created most of what we call civilization.

And they are the one race that opened itself up to multiculturalism and non-discrimination before any other races did.
Civilization existed long before "whites" divided themselves by skin color from everyone else. There was no concept of race on the basis of skin color before European movement to the New World.
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Old 07-05-2015, 01:18 AM
 
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...there's no such thing as Asian Supremacy, Black Supremacy, Indigenous Supremacy.
Actually, there is and always has been.

History is a long story of oppression by humans against other humans based on race, ethnicity, religion, class, clan, tribe, etc.

White people are not unique for participating in this, but rather for putting an end to it.

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White people are the one's who mandated segregation and slavery, not the other way around. So calling for white advocacy is a way for the KKK to come about in cloaks. The only reason there is black, Asian, jewish, muslim, and indigenous advocacy is because they weren't allowed the same freedoms as whites were in their home countries
Blacks, Asians and Muslims participated in slavery.

Muslims murdered millions of people over a thousand years.

They're still practicing murder and slavery.

Just look at ISIS and Boko Haram.

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...That being said, why do we need advocacy for the majority group that leads the way in civil liberties. What would white people possibly advocate for that others have that they don't? What civil liberties do blacks have that whites don't?
Whites could start by advocating for an end to legal discrimination against whites in the form of racial preferences for non-whites.

Whites are the only racial group that can legally be discriminated against in America.
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Old 07-05-2015, 01:28 AM
 
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Civilization existed long before "whites" divided themselves by skin color from everyone else. There was no concept of race on the basis of skin color before European movement to the New World.
That doesn't refute anything I said.

Whites created most of civilization.

The concept of race is irrelevant to that fact.
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Old 07-05-2015, 01:31 AM
 
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Pride in European or religious roots which are "white" (i.e. Irish, Italian, Jewish, etc) is one thing; "white pride" by definition is rooted in white supremacy and oppression by "whites" over "non-whites", hence the backlash.
Most whites I know have ancestries from more than one European country.

So it is perfectly acceptable for them to celebrate their European or white heritage.
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Old 07-05-2015, 01:33 AM
 
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The concept of whiteness is rooted in white supremacy, and the idea of dividing people by skin color in the first place. Any "pride" from black, brown, yellow, red, etc stems from their victimization over not being white, and they have been relegated as a sub-culture (based strictly on their skin color) throughout American history.
Pride in European or religious roots which are "white" (i.e. Irish, Italian, Jewish, etc) is one thing; "white pride" by definition is rooted in white supremacy and oppression by "whites" over "non-whites", hence the backlash.
This is NOT bigotry against whites .

Whites don't define themselves by skin color. White is just commonly used in place of Caucasian. Whites come in various shades of complexions. N. Africans and middle easterners and Jewish can define themselves as white, but they have their own separate culture. Whites define themselves by their heritage and hereditary. For purpose of American it's the heritage of people of western European descent.
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Old 07-05-2015, 02:15 AM
 
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That doesn't refute anything I said.

Whites created most of civilization.

The concept of race is irrelevant to that fact.
That's true if you consider Persians, Egyptians and Chinese "white", most do not.

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This is NOT bigotry against whites .

Whites don't define themselves by skin color. White is just commonly used in place of Caucasian. Whites come in various shades of complexions. N. Africans and middle easterners and Jewish can define themselves as white, but they have their own separate culture. Whites define themselves by their heritage and hereditary. For purpose of American it's the heritage of people of western European descent.
I think you misread my post, because that's exactly my point. Most white people in America either celebrate their "American" heritage, or their ancestral cultural heritage (whether real or not): Irish, Italian, Jewish, Polish, etc. The ones who specifically celebrate "white pride" do so in a racist/separatist fashion, because "white" is not a true culture in our society.
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