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Not only is gun control a loosing argument that alienates us from many Americans who would gladly join us in protecting the environment, universal healthcare, and more economic equality in our country but it takes valuable time, energy and money away from the real problem which is criminal justice reform and a society that views violence as an acceptable way to solve conflicts and obtain money and goods.
Just as conservatives are destroying themselves over immigration we are destroying ourselves over gun control. We would even e able to more effectively push for gun control if it were not true that we really want to take away the right to bare arms through making it impossible to obtain, own or use a gun. Conservatives aren't stupid. Its the same tactic they are using on abortion.
If our goal is less violence there are many ways too achieve that outside of gun control. We are a highly populated, highly independent society. Violence will always be with us in some fashion. By focusing on the tool and not the motives or the mentality of criminality we do ourselves and the country a big disservice.
Last edited by keepingquiet; 07-09-2015 at 10:38 AM..
I stopped supporting gun control a while a go. With that said, I stopped identifying as liberal as well. I stick with moderate and can go both ways now.
Gun control sounds ideal, but that's about it. If it was as simple as passing a law, we'd have almost no crime. But the world's not the simple. And pretty much all gun legislation just hurts the people who own guns and don't do anything wrong with them rather than actually addressing gun crime. So it's almost entirely pointless.
If gun regulation is an excuse that you would rather ognore everything else that you "might" be concerned about, you simply can't be trusted on any of those issues either.
As for regulations around gun ownership and use, IMO it is a lost cause... too many blind foot soldiers to corporate interests. We simply have to wait for it to kick this society in the rear with force (only a few in ocent lives lost don't seen to cut it).
Not only is gun control a loosing argument that alienates us from many Americans who would gladly join us in protecting the environment, universal healthcare, and more economic equality in our country but it takes valuable time, energy and money away from the real problem which is criminal justice reform and a society that views violence as an acceptable way to solve conflicts and obtain money and goods.
Just as conservatives are destroying themselves over immigration we are destroying ourselves over gun control. We would even e able to more effectively push for gun control if it were not tru that we really want to take away the right to bare arms through making it impossible to obtain, own or use a gun. Conservatives aren't stupid. Its the same tactic they are using on abortion.
If our goal is less violence there are many ways too achieve that outside of gun control. We are an highly populated, highly independent society. Violence will always be with us in some fashion. By focusing on the tool and not the motives or the mentality of criminality we do ourselves and the country a big disservice.
This could be said of many issues... it would be nice if we could agree to agree. It's easier to keep us busy and pointing fingers without solving issues at the root cause.
If gun regulation is an excuse that you would rather ognore everything else that you "might" be concerned about, you simply can't be trusted on any of those issues either.
There is only so much time in a day. There is only so much money. Most importantly there is only so much political capital. your argument is simple minded at best and represents the worst of the left.
There is only so much time in a day. There is only so much money. Most importantly there is only so much political capital. your argument is simple minded at best and represents the worst of the left.
It is a straightforward response to a deliberately convoluted argument. When you need an excuse, say so: you have to defend unregulated gun armament at any cost and over any other issue.
I am not a pro-gun advocate, but I must observe that if nothing could be done legislatively immediately after Newtown, I am skeptical that there could ever be a political will in America to effectuate any meaningful gun control. It was mesmerizing to see something like 75-85% approval by the general populace on some forms of gun control, and then absolutely nothing being done due to the gun manufacturer lobby (which is what the NRA is). Democracy didn't work.
Not only is gun control a loosing argument that alienates us from many Americans who would gladly join us in protecting the environment, universal healthcare, and more economic equality in our country but it takes valuable time, energy and money away from the real problem which is criminal justice reform and a society that views violence as an acceptable way to solve conflicts and obtain money and goods.
Just as conservatives are destroying themselves over immigration we are destroying ourselves over gun control. We would even e able to more effectively push for gun control if it were not tru that we really want to take away the right to bare arms through making it impossible to obtain, own or use a gun. Conservatives aren't stupid. Its the same tactic they are using on abortion.
If our goal is less violence there are many ways too achieve that outside of gun control. We are an highly populated, highly independent society. Violence will always be with us in some fashion.
We lose on gun control because gun control is never the #1 issue that people care about. Not because it is a losing argument in and of itself.
the difference is, immigration actually does come up as the #1 issue for about 20% of people.
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By focusing on the tool and not the motives or the mentality of criminality we do ourselves and the country a big disservice.
While I agree that you should always treat the disease, and not the optics of the symptoms, in this case the disease is causing you to bleed out, and if you dont stop the symptom, you could die from it.
There is a big difference between people getting into fist fights vs a gun battle.
I will continue to support tight gun control laws....
Which will only serve to further benefit the criminals who don't care about the law in the first place. But hey, rock on!
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