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Old 07-23-2015, 08:34 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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From your article:



Remind me..... is the NE and NW lean more liberal or conservative? I forget.... is the south conservative?
Public assistance recipients overwhelmingly vote D, regardless of where they live.

2 sources:

1) The Maxwell Poll, linked here: 81% of people receiving public housing benefits vote Democratic

2) The politics and demographics of food stamp recipients | Pew Research Center

 
Old 07-23-2015, 08:53 PM
 
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Liberals have such a bizarre and twisted view of the world. Conservative says "I don't want to pay for you" and a liberals hears "you want to kill them, you hate them, you want to force them into labor camps". Is it any wonder people think liberalism is a mental illness?
If they are deprived of a living because of corner-cutting taking away their jobs, and they can't be compensated for it, how do you think they are going to survive? They are going to beg or steal, and when they end up having to steal the solution the Right will come up with will be either to institutionalize and enslave them or just to kill them (which is why they are arming themselves - so the hungry angry masses can't steal their sh>t). Either that, or make them live on reservations in the least desire places that the rich do not want to live in.
 
Old 07-23-2015, 08:54 PM
 
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It IS irresponsible to bear kids one cannot afford to support. How do we know that's happening? The article I posted stating that 45% of all U.S. births are paid for by Medicaid, the free health care welfare program for the poor.
So what, you think the poor should be forced to be eunuchs? People are going to have sex no matter what. You take away welfare for poor families, and kids will just starve.
 
Old 07-23-2015, 08:59 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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So what, you think the poor should be forced to be eunuchs? People are going to have sex no matter what.
The poor get free birth control via Medicaid and/or CHIP. Why aren't they using it?
 
Old 07-24-2015, 05:39 AM
 
Location: Western North Carolina
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If they are deprived of a living because of corner-cutting taking away their jobs, and they can't be compensated for it, how do you think they are going to survive? They are going to beg or steal, and when they end up having to steal the solution the Right will come up with will be either to institutionalize and enslave them or just to kill them (which is why they are arming themselves - so the hungry angry masses can't steal their sh>t). Either that, or make them live on reservations in the least desire places that the rich do not want to live in.
So, your answer, aside from your ridiculous rant about the Right, is to steal from the producers and redistribute their hard won assets under the guise of government largess to the non-producers, making the producers less able to take care of their own so everyone can be 'more equal'. Thanks, I understand you now.
 
Old 07-24-2015, 10:48 AM
 
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If people understood how deeply integrated government spending is within every advanced economy today, and how we all are truly affected -- for better or worse -- we might actually make some progress. Take, for example, the conservative CPA who complains about government spending and regulations. Yet..., his business is in large part because of government regulations and all those tax returns representing income that is also coming from government either directly or indirectly. Take his customers; like the construction company (that builds roads), the teachers and policeman, the electrician (who just wired a government building), the civil engineering company (who just provided plans to the city for a new development), the woman who just got laid off from her long-time job, now living off unemployment benefits for a while, the military families..., the list never ends!

Or take the conservative owner of the deli down the street, who's customers are many of those same people. The printer who just landed the contract for the next political campaign mailers. The bar owner who is thankful the police come by often or he wouldn't be able to stay open, the janitor who works for the cleaning company that has the contract with the local private university where most of the students use federal financial aid to finance their education...

From the very top of the economic spectrum to the bottom, the symbiotic dependency of government and free enterprise, is well beyond the understanding or appreciation of most people in general, and in my humble opinion why we have so little success at making sense to one another, liberals and conservatives.

Balance is key, but not likely without a true understanding and recognition of these sorts of relationships, whether they are in line with our political perspective or not.
 
Old 07-24-2015, 05:59 PM
 
Location: ATX-HOU
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Erroneous thinking? No. Not at all. How do we know it's not erroneous? The article I posted stating that 45% of all U.S. births are paid for by Medicaid, the free health care welfare program for the poor.
Birth rates aren't static and the poor have always reproduced at a greater rate, that's history.

All you showed is that after a decade of high illegal immigration (where's the republican immigration legilsation now that they have congress or when Bush Jr had executive control) a lot of birth's are on medicaid.

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Public assistance recipients overwhelmingly vote D, regardless of where they live.

2 sources:

1) The Maxwell Poll, linked here: 81% of people receiving public housing benefits vote Democratic

2) The politics and demographics of food stamp recipients | Pew Research Center
But the South is controlled by Republican legislators..... So it's not the legislator's fault that their state's citizens across the Southern region have higher teen pregnancies, higher medicaid birth's, higher public assistance, and lower educational attainment......?

Interesting take....
 
Old 07-24-2015, 06:06 PM
 
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Those people will just curl up with their kids and quietly starve to death in the corner of their dilapidated apartment.

No, not really. They will come take from you.

Mick
 
Old 07-24-2015, 06:12 PM
 
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Those people will just curl up with their kids and quietly starve to death in the corner of their dilapidated apartment.

No, not really. They will come take from you.

Mick
That's what the guns and security systems are for.

Duh.
 
Old 07-24-2015, 06:18 PM
 
Location: ATX-HOU
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That's what the guns and security systems are for.

Duh.
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