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Old 07-28-2015, 03:50 AM
 
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Think "socialist" programs are un-American ?

That's fine.
Just give up your Social Security, Medicare, stop driving
on public roads and highways, take your kids out of
public schools, never call the police or fire department,
don't use the Postal Service, don't flush your toilet into
the sewer system...
Oh, and get off the internet, because the U.S. government
created that, too.
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Old 07-28-2015, 03:51 AM
 
Location: New Orleans, LA
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Public safety and infrastructure isn't something I'd consider socialist, which is nearly all of what you've listed...
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Old 07-28-2015, 04:09 AM
 
Location: Y-Town Area
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Well you may not, but it is.
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Old 07-28-2015, 04:15 AM
 
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I think the socialists should move to Somalia and set up their state run utopia over there.
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Old 07-28-2015, 04:32 AM
 
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It has always puzzled me that some people in the West are anti-government when it couldn't even exist without the actively involved government that funded the railroads, built the dams and irrigation systems and the selling of cheap land cleared by government forces.
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Old 07-28-2015, 04:48 AM
 
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It has always puzzled me that some people in the West are anti-government when it couldn't even exist without the actively involved government that funded the railroads, built the dams and irrigation systems and the selling of cheap land cleared by government forces.
It wouldn't exist? Good lord public school really does a number on folks.
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Old 07-28-2015, 04:52 AM
 
Location: New Orleans, LA
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Well you may not, but it is.
No it's not.

Infrastructure is the means in which any sovereign nation operates, performs diplomacy, moves military, etc. Claiming public safety (namely fire and police) as some sort of socialist program is so far fetched I don't even know where to begin. Let's just say you need somebody to make sure that unowned assets (or assets owned by government) can not put you in jeopardy, and you need an enforcer of your laws.
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Old 07-28-2015, 05:00 AM
 
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No it's not.

Infrastructure is the means in which any sovereign nation operates, performs diplomacy, moves military, etc. Claiming public safety (namely fire and police) as some sort of socialist program is so far fetched I don't even know where to begin. Let's just say you need somebody to make sure that unowned assets (or assets owned by government) can not put you in jeopardy, and you need an enforcer of your laws.
Yes, every country has a mix of socialism and capitalism. A country can't exist without it really. The term "socialism" was mostly used during the cold war to scare the beejesus out of the peons and make them run for the hills. Public transit, public roads and public safety from epidemics and burglars are socialism and there is nothing wrong with that. People have grown up these days and believe a mix of socialism and capitalism is the best.
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Old 07-28-2015, 05:08 AM
 
Location: Orlando
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The socialist democracies of Europe are exceeding us in nearly all standards. I have no problem with socialism. I do have a problem with fascism however, as I do with Oligarchy, both of which are coming from the right.
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Old 07-28-2015, 05:11 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Think "socialist" programs are un-American ?

That's fine.
Just give up your Social Security, Medicare
I'll gladly give up both if I can get all my SS and Medicare taxes plus interest back.

As far as the rest of your stated examples of socialist services... I've significantly overpaid (via local, state, and federal taxes) for any of those resources I've used and ever will use.

I would have much preferred to only have paid my fair share.
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