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Hey yeah sounds great. ALL WE HAVE TO DO is invite a bunch of third world Iron Agers into our First World country, and then come to some sort of agreement with them on the protocols of behavoir governing EVERY aspect of our now mutual lives?
That's ALL WE HAVE TO DO? Sounds great sign everyone up right now, forget about the other 190 some odd countries in the world while we're at it.
What could go wrong?
Jesus Christ what passes for "thoughtful intellectual" in this country.
I'm not against the concept of open borders. On the contrary, I think it would be a goal to eventually strive for. But in order for open borders to work in a society, it needs to be a society that can support it.
America is not.
We know that corporations will happily take in labor they can pay less and give longer hours to. This does two things. 1) It mistreats the immigrant and 2) it forces people who are here legally out of a job they would otherwise be able to do.
The concept of open borders sounds nice in theory but our society is not in a state where that theory would work. It would be exploited. It would not be humanitarian.
I think that Bernie probably agrees with me on that (maybe not though). He wants to get America into a position where all people can work and do alright for themselves. That's his dream. That's everyone's dream. Everyone should do something for a living and be paid a fair amount for their work. If we complicate this with 'literally anyone can just show up' that dream becomes almost completely unattainable.
Maybe one day an open borders policy will be just what we need to further the world's progress. But for now, we need a system to regulate it. And it needs to be enforced.
That article was hardly an "intellectual" case. All it did was repeat nonstop that open borders wouldn't cause harm. Instead of backing up that claim with logic, they just pointed to people and vague "research" and did the ol' argumentum ad populum.
Sorry, but wordiness doesn't compensate for vagueness. The article suspiciously made no mention to the (valid imo) concern that immigrants will *displace* current workers. It's pretty much common sense. More people competing for the same jobs. Nor anything about brain drain. What do the article writers make of the possibility of wealthy countries being jampacked with more immigrants (meaning way more people) than their infrastructures can handle while other countries remain barren? These are several concerns about open borders that this article merrily overlooked.
I'm not against the concept of open borders. On the contrary, I think it would be a goal to eventually strive for. But in order for open borders to work in a society, it needs to be a society that can support it.
America is not.
We know that corporations will happily take in labor they can pay less and give longer hours to. This does two things. 1) It mistreats the immigrant and 2) it forces people who are here legally out of a job they would otherwise be able to do.
The concept of open borders sounds nice in theory but our society is not in a state where that theory would work. It would be exploited. It would not be humanitarian.
I think that Bernie probably agrees with me on that (maybe not though). He wants to get America into a position where all people can work and do alright for themselves. That's his dream. That's everyone's dream. Everyone should do something for a living and be paid a fair amount for their work. If we complicate this with 'literally anyone can just show up' that dream becomes almost completely unattainable.
Maybe one day an open borders policy will be just what we need to further the world's progress. But for now, we need a system to regulate it. And it needs to be enforced.
I think a better approach to help the world would be support nations that seek to raise the bar for all of their people, not look to be a blow off valve for them so they can continue running an oligarchy (the direction the US is headed in itself if not already there) without fear of revolution.
After reading this thoughtful intellectual case for completely open borders to America where anyone who wishes to can come visit and stay in the USA, do you support an open border?
I would call that an "moronic" case for open borders, rather than an "intellectual" case.
That article was hardly an "intellectual" case. All it did was repeat nonstop that open borders wouldn't cause harm. Instead of backing up that claim with logic, they just pointed to people and vague "research" and did the ol' argumentum ad populum.
Sorry, but wordiness doesn't compensate for vagueness. The article suspiciously made no mention to the (valid imo) concern that immigrants will *displace* current workers. It's pretty much common sense. More people competing for the same jobs. Nor anything about brain drain. What do the article writers make of the possibility of wealthy countries being jampacked with more immigrants (meaning way more people) than their infrastructures can handle while other countries remain barren? These are several concerns about open borders that this article merrily overlooked.
Lump of labor fallacy
Immigration would just grow the economy, which would eventually create demand. In return, more job opportunities will be available for natives and immigrants alike.
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