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Old 08-01-2015, 12:43 PM
 
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Does every woman in America have insurance?
What percentage of them dont and how many of them are PP consumers? Facts please!!

After all, everyone knows ACA was to insure everyone, and now that we have it, your answer should be YES.. every woman has insurance..

So either ACA was a success and thus you can defund PP, or ACA is a complete failure...
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Old 08-01-2015, 12:52 PM
 
Location: The Silver State (from the UK)
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What percentage of them dont and how many of them are PP consumers? Facts please!!

After all, everyone knows ACA was to insure everyone, and now that we have it, your answer should be YES.. every woman has insurance..

So either ACA was a success and thus you can defund PP, or ACA is a complete failure...

You don't get it. Read my earlier posts about availability, cost vs public cost etc. Try to think rationally about it.
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Old 08-01-2015, 01:03 PM
 
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That is hardly a strong case for defunding PP.
Never did I say anything about trying to defund Planned Parenthood. I am refuting the argument that if Planned Parenthood went away, the need for abortions would go up because people would not have affordable access to contraception. Clearly that's not true.
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Old 08-01-2015, 01:08 PM
 
Location: The Silver State (from the UK)
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Never did I say anything about trying to defund Planned Parenthood. I am refuting the argument that if Planned Parenthood went away, the need for abortions would go up because people would not have affordable access to contraception. Clearly that's not true.

No, that IS true. Did you read the links I posted? Abortions would increase.
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Old 08-01-2015, 01:10 PM
 
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No, that IS true. Did you read the links I posted? Abortions would increase.
It's not true. There are less than 670 PP clinics and more than 9,000 community health centers in the US according to the Washington Post.
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Old 08-01-2015, 01:11 PM
 
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No, that IS true. Did you read the links I posted? Abortions would increase.
I didn't read the links (if you want to share the links that you are referring to, I will) but if the price for a pack of birth control pills goes for $9 per month, it seems clear that cost is not a significant barrier to people being able to access it.
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Old 08-01-2015, 02:12 PM
 
Location: The Silver State (from the UK)
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I didn't read the links (if you want to share the links that you are referring to, I will) but if the price for a pack of birth control pills goes for $9 per month, it seems clear that cost is not a significant barrier to people being able to access it.

Post #51.
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Old 08-01-2015, 03:42 PM
 
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I have provided a couple links below which are good for this debate in terms of the economic arguments for funding PP.

The tissue trade | The Economist

Why Defunding Planned Parenthood is Bad Economics | Roosevelt Institute
What would happen in Planned Parenthood decided to stop performing abortions entirely and focused solely on education, pap smears, breast exams and access to contraception in exchange for continuing to receive federal funding? They could then start a separate organization that strictly deals with abortion only. Keeping the money and the organizations separate would probably help them in the long run.
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Old 08-01-2015, 09:50 PM
 
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You libs almost make me feel bad for women who can't afford to buy birth control, almost.

If you can afford a cell phone...
If you can afford your cable tv...
If you can afford your cigarettes...
If you can afford that bottle of booze...
If you can afford one night out a month...
If you can afford to get strung out on meth...
Etc.

Birth control prescription plus annual Dr. exam cost is $143 - $308 per year for the uninsured.

Sex is a lot like driving a car. If you can't afford the insurance, don't drive.

Oh, and Planned Murderhood, they're toast! May they all rot in H#LL!
Oh please, where in the world are you coming up with this info My daughter was between jobs and was uninsured for a couple of months. Her birth control was almost $200 a month out of pocket. And the doctor exam was $150 each visit. But maybe you should tell the boys to keep it in their pants.
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Old 08-01-2015, 11:57 PM
 
Location: Unperson Everyman Land
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The abortion rate is declining at fairly rapid rate.
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Yes,because of the expanded access to birth control and people waiting longer to get married. It's not because large numbers of people suddenly find aversion to abortion when they didn't in the past.
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Sure because birth control was almost impossible to obtain until just recently.

The decline in the abortion ratio from 34% in 1996 to 22% in 2011 has nothing at all to do with changing attitudes or new state restriction on abortion.

In fact, the abortion rate declining from 33% to 18% in the decade before Obamacare mandated birth control coverage simply defies explanation since we already know Americans think abortion is just dandy!
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Who said anything about Obamacare? Expanded access to birth control has been going on for twenty years.I dare say that most of the people on it using the ACA were on it before and are just saving money by not having to pay for it now is all.So no it doesn't deft explanation. Unless you want to delude yourself to believe everyone has suddenly had a rapid change of heart and jumped on the Jesus bandwagon.








According to this, teen sexual activity has been declining since 1991.

BEH4.A Sexual activity: Percentage of high school students who reported ever having had sexual intercourse by gender, race and Hispanic origin, and grade, selected years 1991–2013


And according to this, the top reason for abstinence is religious/moral convictions.

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/series/sr_23/sr23_031.pdf


At least among teens, abstinence is up and the reason most commonly given is religious/moral conviction.
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