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Elliott's blue-eye/brown-eye exercise showed that if you want to manipulate children into being negative and hostile toward others for some arbitrary reason, you can. Tell me, what value do you see in this?
(Forgive for using Wikipedia, it's simply to show you what kind of story I'm talking about.)
That wasn't 100 years ago, that wasn't 50 years ago. That was in 1998. I remember hearing that story. I remember being astonished, because we were told there wasn't any racism, or very little of it anymore. We had been told that we had come a long way...hmm. Elliott brings it up in one of her sessions, but I remember that story. I remember feeling horrified. YES, horrified that anyone would do that to another human being...for what? FOR WHAT? Because he was black. That was IT. I have never forgotten that story, because it shattered what I believed. I thought it was all over with. Maybe a few things here and there, but killing people because they were black? I didn't think that happened anymore at that time. I didn't see racism every day. It is exactly what she says. I don't see it, therefore in my world, it didn't exist. This story comes out, and I couldn't grasp why it happened. People can call it ignorant, that's fine with me, I believe I was extremely naive.
I see value in it. I've said this story before, but for a few seconds out of my life, I do believe I got a dose of what it would be like.
I was a young adult, coming home from the gym, had on a Mickey Mouse t-shirt...which I point out because that's about as friendly a dang shirt as one can wear. I asked a couple on the sidewalk for the time. Their reaction was to have the wife look at me with absolute fear, the husband to shield his wife from me, and them to hurry down the sidewalk to get away from me. I'm not threatening in appearance at all. At that age, I still looked like a teen. I was in no way menacing. I wasn't filthy. I didn't ask in an aggressive way. I simply said, "Do you know what time it is?"
Their reaction pissed me off. They treated me like I was about to attack them. And I distinctly remember thinking, "I wonder if this is what black people have to deal with all the time". It was not even one minute of my life. The encounter was mere seconds. But for me, I don't have to deal with that every day. I don't have to walk out of my door each morning knowing that I'm going to experience that every day. It was a shock to me that the situation happened, but for some people, that happens to them all the time. So yeah, I see a LOT of value in what Elliott teaches. Of course a white person will never know what it's like to live like that every single day, but to even have a tiny glimpse in to it will begin to help someone understand. What people miss is that it's not to say, "You are a racist pos" it's to say, 'Do you even realize that some people go through what you're going through in this two hour exercise, every. single. day? Do you GET that yet?'
As she says, and as many people say, you can't know or understand until you walk a mile in someone elses shoes. I've not walked a mile in a black person's shoes, maybe an inch, and even that inch pissed me off. Imagine a mile. Imagine 30 miles. Imagine 5000 miles. We will never understand each other until we GET, even on a small scale, what others experience. You don't have to like what she says, but she is right, us white people do NOT see the level of racism that other people see. We simply don't. And if her treating people that way gets them to wake up and see any of it, that's not a negative.
As she says, and as many people say, you can't know or understand until you walk a mile in someone elses shoes. I've not walked a mile in a black person's shoes, maybe an inch, and even that inch pissed me off. Imagine a mile. Imagine 30 miles. Imagine 5000 miles. We will never understand each other until we GET, even on a small scale, what others experience. You don't have to like what she says, but she is right, us white people do NOT see the level of racism that other people see. We simply don't. And if her treating people that way gets them to wake up and see any of it, that's not a negative.
First, everyone is racist. I was watching this video earlier. And its always refreshing to see a black person who is honest and just says it how it really is. Instead of running around with this obnoxious faux outrage, and holier-than-thou attitude every time anything happens.
I'm prejudice insofar as I see patterns of behavior, and I tend to assume the worst from anyone who isn't like me, and isn't from where I'm from(which includes far more than just race, though race is the easier thing to spot from a distance). In fact, I would say I'm more of a sexist than I am a racist. Insofar as I trust the judgement of men of all colors, more than I trust the judgement of women(on average). In fact, black men were given a right to vote in the 1860's, they didn't mess anything up. Women were given a right to vote in 1920, they've done nothing but screw everything up ever since. The feminists are far more dangerous to civilization than any black man.
In fact, we wouldn't even be having all the problems we are having today if we had never given women a right to vote. Without the female vote, there wouldn't be welfare and this glorification of the single-mother. Without the female vote, black men would have been raised by their fathers, and would be much better off than they are today. In fact, it is the feminists who are behind the recent upsurge in the obsession with racism. They sit around all day complaining about the "CIS white male patriarchy", while bandying about for any allies they can get(including blacks, Hispanics, and Muslims, all of which hate feminists more than do white males).
With that said, it doesn't hurt my feelings when people don't like me. In my mind, I'm better than everyone else, and I definitely do not need you. If you don't like me, then **** you.
What irritates me about these black people, is that so few of them advocate for independence. I always respect black nationalists, because at least they have a plan for dealing with racists, that isn't based around having the government force white people to pretend to like them(as to not get fired or assaulted).
Seriously, sometimes I think we talk things to death. Too much talk and not enough action. Action speaks louder than words. Just treat others like you want to be treated and it'll all work out. Sometimes I think the folks with the motives want us to bicker, I'm not falling into that trap. Life's too short.
First, everyone is racist. I was watching this video earlier. And its always refreshing to see a black person who is honest and just says it how it really is. Instead of running around with this obnoxious faux outrage, and holier-than-thou attitude every time anything happens.
I'm prejudice insofar as I see patterns of behavior, and I tend to assume the worst from anyone who isn't like me, and isn't from where I'm from(which includes far more than just race, though race is the easier thing to spot from a distance). In fact, I would say I'm more of a sexist than I am a racist. Insofar as I trust the judgement of men of all colors, more than I trust the judgement of women(on average). In fact, black men were given a right to vote in the 1860's, they didn't mess anything up. Women were given a right to vote in 1920, they've done nothing but screw everything up ever since. The feminists are far more dangerous to civilization than any black man.
In fact, we wouldn't even be having all the problems we are having today if we had never given women a right to vote. Without the female vote, there wouldn't be welfare and this glorification of the single-mother. Without the female vote, black men would have been raised by their fathers, and would be much better off than they are today. In fact, it is the feminists who are behind the recent upsurge in the obsession with racism. They sit around all day complaining about the "CIS white male patriarchy", while bandying about for any allies they can get(including blacks, Hispanics, and Muslims, all of which hate feminists more than do white males).
With that said, it doesn't hurt my feelings when people don't like me. In my mind, I'm better than everyone else, and I definitely do not need you. If you don't like me, then **** you.
What irritates me about these black people, is that so few of them advocate for independence. I always respect black nationalists, because at least they have a plan for dealing with racists, that isn't based around having the government force white people to pretend to like them(as to not get fired or assaulted).
Look, I've been judged for all kinds of reasons. Does it feel good when people think poorly of you without good reason? Obviously it does not. But it is something which will ALWAYS happen, and for the most part, it is a good thing.
As Hegel said, "An idea is always a generalization, and generalization is a property of thinking. To generalize means to think."
The root of racism is fundamentally human-nature. Racism is in effect, self-preservation. You look for patterns within people, things, groups, etc, and you seek to protect yourself from them.
When people don't want to hire the Muhammad's, or Jose's, or Jamal's who applied for a job. They aren't sitting around thinking to themselves that they aren't going to hire them on the basis that they want to keep blacks and Hispanics and Arabs poor and unemployed. If anything, racists would much rather that these people had jobs.
The reason they don't want to hire them is pretty simple. They are looking for the best employee, and from their experiences, the statistics, and the experiences of others, its a safer bet to hire the white guy rather than the black guy. It isn't based on hatred for black people, it is based on self-preservation and self-interest.
Now, this isn't always the case, in some jobs, people would rather hire a Mexican than a white guy. In other jobs, they would rather hire an Asian than a white guy. In some jobs, you would rather hire a man, in other jobs, you would rather hire a woman.
When Jesse Jackson said... “There is nothing more painful to me at this stage in my life than to walk down the street and hear footsteps... then turn around and see somebody white and feel relieved.”
He didn't say it out of hatred. He was talking about self-preservation.
That is what racism is, self-preservation or self-interest. For that matter, so is sexism(in both directions), xenophobia, ageism, etc. I mean, when you refuse to hire someone without a high school diploma, that is discrimination. But so what?
My only point is, I never understood why black people thought the best way forward, was to try to force white people to like them. Trying to force someone to like you doesn't actually work. At best, you just force them to pretend to like you in public, but behind your back they still hate you, and they might even hate/resent you even more.
If I had been black, I would have just went around town flipping everyone off, and declaring independence from the United States. I'm not even black, and that is what I want to do. I hate the vast majority of Americans, and so do you.
The one where some people get all pissy because whitey ruined their little cheating test? Whitey always ****ing up the black people's lives. That's the moral of that story you white you got half of life's answers already.
Elliott's blue-eye/brown-eye exercise showed that if you want to manipulate children into being negative and hostile toward others for some arbitrary reason, you can. Tell me, what value do you see in this?
(Forgive for using Wikipedia, it's simply to show you what kind of story I'm talking about.)
That wasn't 100 years ago, that wasn't 50 years ago. That was in 1998.
I would be amazed if any of the thousands of Jane Elliott style anti-racism sessions done over the past two generations have prevented a single incidence of white-on-black violence. These kinds of attacks are rare and they are not perpetrated by the kinds of people who attend those meetings. I would however not be at all surprised if the anger and sense of victimhood she and her followers encourage in blacks has contributed to the relatively commonplace phenomenon of black-on-white violence.
I would be amazed if any of the thousands of Jane Elliott style anti-racism sessions done over the past two generations have prevented a single incidence of white-on-black violence. These kinds of attacks are rare and they are not perpetrated by the kinds of people who attend those meetings. I would however not be at all surprised if the anger and sense of victimhood she and her followers encourage in blacks has contributed to the relatively commonplace phenomenon of black-on-white violence.
Personally, I viewed Ms. Elliott's research within the 5 stage model. Something like this:
Denial — Some folks deny racism period or believe US is 'post racial.'
Anger — There may be anger, frustration or discomfort when an individual recognizes denial cannot continue.
Bargaining — A desire to go back to denial because it's more comfortable, habitual, or 'straightforward' rather than deal with uncertainties. Seeking to explain realities without recognizing racism exists.
Depression — Denial cannot continue, sadness, what is the best way to go forward?
Acceptance — Racism exists.
I saw it more like if you don't see the problem, you can't work towards a solution. If racism is not a problem, or an underlying problem, it wouldn't make sense to work toward resolving.
When there's an acceptance that racism is a problem, it's more likely folks would be willing & able to work toward solving. Even so, it wouldn't prevent all incidents of violence or even a single incident. It's a beginning step in a process.
Elliott's blue-eye/brown-eye exercise showed that if you want to manipulate children into being negative and hostile toward others for some arbitrary reason, you can. Tell me, what value do you see in this?
Figures, because you are in denial, so your brain is unable to process effectively.
I would explain it but it would be a waste of time.
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