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How did the knife attack on the British soldier work out...
Who responded.... ARMED British police.. that's who
You should check out the link in the post above yours, it's good stuff. Armed British police constitute a very small minority, and so the force can pick the best candidates and train each of them to an extreme level.
As for the rest, they're trained to use smarts. It works for Britain.
Am I the only person on thses boards that are getting a little tired of some of the same posters posting about how much been other countries handle things, or post about everything that is wront with AMerica and yet, they still continue to live here. I have to wonder why?
It's called "aspiring to be better". Stop doing that and you've admitted failure or at least decided you're "good enough". I have yet to meet an American content with that descriptor, but perhaps you're the first.
You should check out the link in the post above yours, it's good stuff. Armed British police constitute a very small minority, and so the force can pick the best candidates and train each of them to an extreme level.
As for the rest, they're trained to use smarts. It works for Britain.
I assume you'll be the first to turn your gun in ... you know...so we can then police unarmed societies like England?
Your characterization of "extreme level" of training is what any policeman in a major US city receives.. huge difference is.. US police use their firearms with greater frequency because of immensely greater need
Point at societies where unarmed police are utilized and you have generally unarmed populations
I assume you'll be the first to turn your gun in ... you know...so we can then police unarmed societies like England?
Why would I want a firearm? I'm not a hunter, I dropped target shooting decades ago, and I consider them a colossal pain in the rear.
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Your characterization of "extreme level" of training is what any policeman in a major US city receives..
Didn't click the link, did you?
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US police use their firearms with greater frequency because of immensely greater need
Point at societies where unarmed police are utilized and you have generally unarmed populations
So it's the prevalence of guns in the US that puts US citizens at their much higher risk of dying at the hands of law enforcement? Not disagreeing - I do, in fact, think you're dead on - but it's rare to hear it from the pro-gun side.
Many of you have seen the shooting of the young knife wielding girl in Texas. Now watch how the British police handle similar situations.
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The actual difference here is that 5x as many officers responded in the UK video as in the US video (and nearly all of those officers responded after the incident, not during). US citizens would not tolerate a 5x increase in government spending, even (especially?) for public safety. (And on top of that, London police make over $70k/year, 5 weeks vacation, a 37 hr work week, full health benefits, and a 100% pension, so even a 5x increase is underestimating.)
And yes, that is even taking settlements into account, despite the fact that UK police departments have near complete immunity from civil suits. Even the most sued department in the US, Chicago PD, has averaged less than $3,900 per officer per year over the last decade. And most of that money came from the Jon Burge settlements
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Every situation is different, so you can't say what should be done in advance. Just remember that the people you seen in the videos in the UK, are people that don't want to hurt officers, or are not really trying very hard to hurt the officers.
Here's what happens when someone with a knife wants to kill police officers. Several officer injured, and at least one officer died. Watch how fast the first attack happens. The officer in the first attack instantly suffered a fatal injury.
I had some time to look up the actual staffing numbers....
NYPD: 230 residents per officer
CPD: 222 residents per officer
LAPD: 395 residents per officer
City of London PD: 10.2 residents per officer
London Metro PS: 125.1 residents per officer
Or to think of these differently, if New York, Chicago, and Los Angeles were policed as heavily as London Metro, they would increased from 58687 officers combined to 119,937 officers combined. If they were policed like City of London, they would have 1,470,996 police officers (roughly 35% more than the rest of the country combined does right now, whereas right now they are about 6% of all officers in the country). New York along would increase from 36,600 officers to 824,000 officers to match London's relative force size.
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