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Old 08-30-2015, 01:51 PM
 
Location: The South
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One of the most dimwitted Presidents in United States history decided to make a rare outing and do some work on trying to rewrite his awful legacy. And I'm not speaking of his signature failure, Iraq, I'm speaking of the exposure of incompetence of his entire administration when one of the worst storms in history barreled into New Orleans, causing levee's to burst and drowning the city while the Federal government did nothing.

Even with a week of warning, Bush was playing President in California, Cheney was home in Wyoming, and Condi Rice was shoe shopping in Manhattan. So ole' George visited a High School in New Orleans, where he told two high school girls that "being President is not that hard", and, in another cringeworthy moment, he can be seen dancing like a drunken frat boy.

George, there is a reason your handlers keep you out of the public eye.

George W Bush dances in New Orleans during Katrina event

Picking The Wings Off Butterflies: Bush Returns to New Orleans | Common Dreams | Breaking News & Views for the Progressive Community
Oh, you mean Katrina hit N.O., that was news for all us folks over in Mississippi. We just thought a levee broke. When I rode thru N.O. two weeks after Katrina, all the houses were still standing and all had roofs. The eye of the hurricane came ashore on the border of Mississippi and Louisiana. Most folks on the gulf know which is the bad side of the eye to be on. Louisiana was not on the bad side. The levee's broke, probably due to no maintenance by a crooked city mayor, who is now in prison.
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Old 08-30-2015, 01:53 PM
 
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Wow, another Bush apologist who rewrites history to make his savior sparkle.
Oh, do you mean history like this?

" Publication: Business Wire
Date: Friday, January 4 2008

More Than 8.3 Million Jobs Created Since August 2003 In Longest Continuous Run Of Job Growth On Record

WASHINGTON -- Today, the Bureau of Labor Statistics released new jobs figures - 18,000 jobs created in December. Since August 2003, more than 8.3 million jobs have been created, with more than 1.3 million jobs created throughout 2007. Our economy has now added jobs for 52 straight months - the longest period of uninterrupted job growth on record. The unemployment rate remains low at 5 percent. The U.S. economy benefits from a solid foundation, but we cannot take economic growth for granted and economic indicators have become increasingly mixed. President Bush will continue working with Congress to address the challenges our economy faces and help facilitate long-term economic growth, job growth, and better standards of living for all Americans.

* Real GDP grew at a strong 4.9 percent annual rate in the third quarter of 2007. The economy has now experienced six years of uninterrupted growth, averaging 2.8 percent a year since 2001.

* Real after-tax per capita personal income has risen by 11.7 percent - an average of more than $3,550 per person - since President Bush took office.

* Over the course of this Administration, productivity growth has averaged 2.6 percent per year. This growth is well above average productivity growth in the 1990s, 1980s, and 1970s.


By 2003, Mr. Bush grasped this lesson. In that year, he cut the dividend and capital gains rates to 15 percent each, and the economy responded. In two years, stocks rose 20 percent. In three years, $15 trillion of new wealth was created. The U.S. economy added 8 million new jobs from mid-2003 to early 2007, and the median household increased its wealth by $20,000 in real terms.



But the real jolt for tax-cutting opponents was that the 03 Bush tax cuts also generated a massive increase in federal tax receipts. From 2004 to 2007, federal tax revenues increased by $785 billion, the largest four-year increase in American history. According to the Treasury Department, individual and corporate income tax receipts were up 40 percent in the three years following the Bush tax cuts. And (bonus) the rich paid an even higher percentage of the total tax burden than they had at any time in at least the previous 40 years. This was news to theNew York Times, whose astonished editorial board could only describe the gains as a “surprise windfall.”
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Old 08-30-2015, 01:57 PM
 
Location: Pasadena, CA
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Oh, do you mean history like this?

" Publication: Business Wire
Date: Friday, January 4 2008

More Than 8.3 Million Jobs Created Since August 2003 In Longest Continuous Run Of Job Growth On Record

WASHINGTON -- Today, the Bureau of Labor Statistics released new jobs figures - 18,000 jobs created in December. Since August 2003, more than 8.3 million jobs have been created, with more than 1.3 million jobs created throughout 2007. Our economy has now added jobs for 52 straight months - the longest period of uninterrupted job growth on record. The unemployment rate remains low at 5 percent. The U.S. economy benefits from a solid foundation, but we cannot take economic growth for granted and economic indicators have become increasingly mixed. President Bush will continue working with Congress to address the challenges our economy faces and help facilitate long-term economic growth, job growth, and better standards of living for all Americans.

* Real GDP grew at a strong 4.9 percent annual rate in the third quarter of 2007. The economy has now experienced six years of uninterrupted growth, averaging 2.8 percent a year since 2001.

* Real after-tax per capita personal income has risen by 11.7 percent - an average of more than $3,550 per person - since President Bush took office.

* Over the course of this Administration, productivity growth has averaged 2.6 percent per year. This growth is well above average productivity growth in the 1990s, 1980s, and 1970s.


By 2003, Mr. Bush grasped this lesson. In that year, he cut the dividend and capital gains rates to 15 percent each, and the economy responded. In two years, stocks rose 20 percent. In three years, $15 trillion of new wealth was created. The U.S. economy added 8 million new jobs from mid-2003 to early 2007, and the median household increased its wealth by $20,000 in real terms.



But the real jolt for tax-cutting opponents was that the 03 Bush tax cuts also generated a massive increase in federal tax receipts. From 2004 to 2007, federal tax revenues increased by $785 billion, the largest four-year increase in American history. According to the Treasury Department, individual and corporate income tax receipts were up 40 percent in the three years following the Bush tax cuts. And (bonus) the rich paid an even higher percentage of the total tax burden than they had at any time in at least the previous 40 years. This was news to theNew York Times, whose astonished editorial board could only describe the gains as a “surprise windfall.”
An economy built entirely on a massive housing bubble destined to destroy the economy.

The Bush Administration contained virtually no positives. The economy certainly wasn't among them. Check his record on job growth, it was dismal even before the Great Recession hit.
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Old 08-30-2015, 01:59 PM
 
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yep, sorry trihiker, there is no historical rewrite in the katrina casse, except by the dems, who tried right at the beginning to rewrite history. didnt work though.



well the first thing that could have been done is nagin could have ordered the 250 school buses into action to evacuate the elderly and needy with no other means of transport to safer areas. nagin could have put into action the entire evacuation plan that the nola government had in place for decades just in case a storm like katrina was bearing down on the city. but instead he delayed taking action until it was too late to do anything.

governor blanco could have declared a state of emergency and invited the federal government in to help, which is just what fema was ready to do. again she delayed action until it got really bad before inviting fema in.

the only thing that went right in the first few hours after katrina what the coast guard going in and doing their jobs hauling stranded people out. those guys did a heck of a job despite being fired upon by nola residents at times.

the funny thing though is that nola got all the coverage, but what about biloxi mississippi? that town was virtually completely destroyed by katrina, yet virtually nothing was said about them. why? could it be because nola was a democrat stronghold and biloxi wasnt?
What most people with BDS IGNORE is that the previous year Florida was hit with 3 consecutive hurricanes and the local politicians worked WITH FEMA and Brown and handled them as best as could be expected.

It's amazing how things work when ALL parties work together.

When the Gov. and the mayor REUSE to act there isn't much the fed can do.
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Old 08-30-2015, 02:03 PM
 
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Oh, you mean Katrina hit N.O., that was news for all us folks over in Mississippi. We just thought a levee broke. When I rode thru N.O. two weeks after Katrina, all the houses were still standing and all had roofs. The eye of the hurricane came ashore on the border of Mississippi and Louisiana. Most folks on the gulf know which is the bad side of the eye to be on. Louisiana was not on the bad side. The levee's broke, probably due to no maintenance by a crooked city mayor, who is now in prison.
"The levee's broke, probably due to no maintenance by a crooked city mayor,"

I read that much of the money earmarked to maintain the levees was re-directed to building a new bridge and roads into N.O.
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Old 08-30-2015, 02:05 PM
 
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An economy built entirely on a massive housing bubble destined to destroy the economy.

The Bush Administration contained virtually no positives. The economy certainly wasn't among them. Check his record on job growth, it was dismal even before the Great Recession hit.


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Check his record on job growth, it was dismal even before the Great Recession hit"
I see you didn't bother to actually READ the post but, instead just throw out garbage, the numbers are in there.
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Old 08-30-2015, 02:06 PM
 
Location: Poshawa, Ontario
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I'm speaking of the exposure of incompetence of his entire administration when one of the worst storms in history barreled into New Orleans, causing levee's to burst and drowning the city while the Federal government did nothing.
While Dubya wasn't a great President by any stretch of the imagination, the incompetence demonstrated by N'awlins Mayor Ray Nagin and the Government of the State of Louisiana did far more damage to the city of New Orleans and its citizens than Dubya ever could have.

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Old 08-30-2015, 02:09 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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yep, sorry trihiker, there is no historical rewrite in the katrina casse, except by the dems, who tried right at the beginning to rewrite history. didnt work though.



well the first thing that could have been done is nagin could have ordered the 250 school buses into action to evacuate the elderly and needy with no other means of transport to safer areas. nagin could have put into action the entire evacuation plan that the nola government had in place for decades just in case a storm like katrina was bearing down on the city. but instead he delayed taking action until it was too late to do anything.

governor blanco could have declared a state of emergency and invited the federal government in to help, which is just what fema was ready to do. again she delayed action until it got really bad before inviting fema in.

the only thing that went right in the first few hours after katrina what the coast guard going in and doing their jobs hauling stranded people out. those guys did a heck of a job despite being fired upon by nola residents at times.

the funny thing though is that nola got all the coverage, but what about biloxi mississippi? that town was virtually completely destroyed by katrina, yet virtually nothing was said about them. why? could it be because nola was a democrat stronghold and biloxi wasnt?
250 school buses might safely hold 50 adults and evacuated about 12,500 of the more than 1 million who were displaced. Where would those buses take people to get them out of harms way? Does any municipality know and track where the most vulnerable live? How many of those buses might have stalled in flooded areas requiring passengers to wade through water sometimes up to their neck? What about the nearby communities that denied buses entry?

As I understand it, the governor did request Bush to declare a state of emergency 2 days before the levees failed. Could she have done so sooner? Then what? How do you safely evacuate more than 1 million, just in case? Where do you take them to get them out of harms way?

I am sorry you choose to view this through partisan glasses.
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Old 08-30-2015, 02:13 PM
 
Location: Eastern Shore of Maryland
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Is Bush learning from Obama? Obama went golfing right after making a sombre speech on American journalist James Foley beheaded by Muslim terrorist group ISIS.

Obama admits golf after Foley beheading was bad idea, wants vacation from media - Washington Times
And? These Journalists know the risks involved going into a War Zone to make a name for themselves and make the big bucks. Why do you expect the whole Country to be outraged over him being killed? If you walk out in front of a semi and get your arse run over, what would you expect? Flags at half mast, a week of mourning, and the President to sit in his room for a week? When he was killed I called him a dumb arse. No one forced him to go, and anyone that goes there and gets caught or killed is on their own.

Foley killed himself by going over there, and by getting caught. Life is tough, or can end, if you make bad choices.
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Old 08-30-2015, 02:16 PM
 
Location: On the Chesapeake
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While y'all are piddling around about who does what in a disaster here are the protocols which have to be followed. Declaring a State of Emergency typically is a bottom up process from local to State to federal. The Governor can sometimes override a Mayor in declaring a local one but it's considered bad form and subjects him to recriminations.

Emergency Declarations and Authorities Fact Sheet | State Public Health | ASTHO
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