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Old 09-04-2015, 12:49 PM
 
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Basically.

I also like to remind them how "well" sanctions have worked in changing leadership in places like Iran, North Korea, and Cuba over the decades... yeah, they've done nothing but crush the general population while allowing the tyrants to remain in absolute control. The right-wing loons never have an answer to those facts... well, aside from the eternal answer of "nuke everyone that's not 'mericuh!"
You rant about decades of sanctions not working and then try to pin it on the right wingers?

Seems to me that this has been a looooong bi-partisan affair.

IMO sanctions worked pretty well on Iran if you have any real faith in this nuclear deal.

Cuba? Not some much, just gave them an excuse for their failings.
North Korea? They're just batsh*t crazy.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanctions_against_Iran
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Old 09-04-2015, 04:17 PM
 
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Yet, none of those articles can provide any explanation to this:

Farsnews

DM: Iran Not to Allow IAEA to Inspect Every Site

"Iran does not plan to issue permission for the IAEA to inspect every site," Dehqan said in an interview with al-Mayadeen news network on Wednesday.

Granting such permissions are even in violation of the IAEA and the Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT) rules, he added.

Dehqan had also earlier underlined that Tehran would not allow any foreigner to discover Iran's defensive and missile capabilities by inspecting the country's military sites.....
No self respecting country would allow foreign inspectors onto any sensitive military sites they choose. Iran has already let inspectors view portions of Parchin but are quite reasonable to not allow them to inspect the rest. This is an absolutely absurd request that would fit quite well with the ultimatum to Serbia in 1914 but not so well with any credible negotiations. If you're gonna make demands like this, why not just invade Iran and force their population into slavery and convert them into Christianity (or Judaism) while you're at it?
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Old 09-04-2015, 05:27 PM
 
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Nothing in all that crap you posted explains why a deal was necessary. The sanctions were working. Iran was starving. The argument is to control Irans nuclear ambitions. Iran will ignore any deal as past history has shown and do what it pleases. And the damned fool in the WH is giving them their money back.
You have proven why you and many others hate this deal because Obama supports it you do not even care what it is all about
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Old 09-04-2015, 09:32 PM
 
Location: Baltimore
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No self respecting country would allow foreign inspectors onto any sensitive military sites they choose. Iran has already let inspectors view portions of Parchin but are quite reasonable to not allow them to inspect the rest. This is an absolutely absurd request that would fit quite well with the ultimatum to Serbia in 1914 but not so well with any credible negotiations. If you're gonna make demands like this, why not just invade Iran and force their population into slavery and convert them into Christianity (or Judaism) while you're at it?
Ahhh but your wrong. Please provide sources to substrate that Iran's nuclear program is indeed in compliance with the NPT?

Anyway, you prove my point much further that without proper inspection, this deal is nothing more than economic interests.
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Old 09-04-2015, 09:37 PM
 
Location: Baltimore
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You guys have literally no idea. You should both meet reality - this deal is done. It is supported by the other 5 nations, the EU, UN, the IAEA and Iran. Like I keep saying, unless you have a credible alternative then your pathetic arguments mean literally nothing.

Get over it.
Yup Iran is billions of dollars richer and will now have the resources to destabilize the world much faster, great deal.

Anyhow, Since you failed to address the Ayatollah's intentions from primary sources, I guess a friendly reminder that the best alternative was to not make an authoritarian enemy state more prosperous.
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Old 09-04-2015, 10:08 PM
 
Location: The Silver State (from the UK)
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Yup Iran is billions of dollars richer and will now have the resources to destabilize the world much faster, great deal.

Anyhow, Since you failed to address the Ayatollah's intentions from primary sources, I guess a friendly reminder that the best alternative was to not make an authoritarian enemy state more prosperous.


The best option is what we are doing. Either wake up and meet reality, or carry on whinging about the deal - it doesn't really matter. You are not changing anyone's mind with your constant nonsense. It is done, with no better alternative being offered by you, or anyone else.

Time to move on. Your side, albeit a very small and uninformed one, lost comfortably
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Old 09-05-2015, 05:45 AM
 
Location: Baltimore
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The best option is what we are doing. Either wake up and meet reality, or carry on whinging about the deal - it doesn't really matter. You are not changing anyone's mind with your constant nonsense. It is done, with no better alternative being offered by you, or anyone else.

Time to move on. Your side, albeit a very small and uninformed one, lost comfortably
Being a patsy for Iran is one thing.. But you provided a source of PM Cameroon supporting the deal in the "short term" of-course. But he also mentioned that Iran came to the negotiating table because of sanctions. Heard that before right? So you picked a source to prove your argument that once again denounces your argument. Why would you release sanctions for a deal that is not effective?

You can save the theatrics and palm cheering, it comes down to intellectual honesty. Back up the sources you post.
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Old 09-05-2015, 05:52 AM
 
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You have proven why you and many others hate this deal because Obama supports it you do not even care what it is all about
And you and your ilk have proven how blind you are to the fact that Iran will never stick to any "deal".

Lipstick on a pig is still a pig.

I wouldn't care who is squatting in the WH I would say the same thing.

So keep smacking yourself in the head and maybe you will understand why this "deal" is such a bad thing.
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Old 09-05-2015, 09:07 AM
 
Location: The Silver State (from the UK)
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Being a patsy for Iran is one thing.. But you provided a source of PM Cameroon supporting the deal in the "short term" of-course. But he also mentioned that Iran came to the negotiating table because of sanctions. Heard that before right? So you picked a source to prove your argument that once again denounces your argument. Why would you release sanctions for a deal that is not effective?

You can save the theatrics and palm cheering, it comes down to intellectual honesty. Back up the sources you post.

They did. They came to the table and we negotiated a deal. Deciding now that the deal "isn't good enough" and thinking that we can somehow get the international community to reimpose those sanctions with the hope of getting iran back to the table for a better deal is the stuff of fantasy.

This argument is moot.

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Old 09-05-2015, 04:56 PM
 
Location: Baltimore
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They did. They came to the table and we negotiated a deal. Deciding now that the deal "isn't good enough" and thinking that we can somehow get the international community to reimpose those sanctions with the hope of getting iran back to the table for a better deal is the stuff of fantasy.

This argument is moot.
Actually, that was slightly my point over the past few weeks but you were too busy with other nonsense. Once funds are released to the Iranian regime, its too late. This is why I defrauded "snap back sanctions" and reiterated the main concerns of the deal. This deal cannot be effective because redisposing sanctions would be too complicated once the levy is broken of world trade. This is why the alternative was to hold on to the sanctions and force them into a deal favorable to the West. But now we are absolutely screwed.
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