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Snowden has done more to help Americans fight a tyrannical government than anyone in the past 200 years. Here is a very good movie that documents the entire event. I highly recommend it, but it will scare the sh1t out of you. Our government is way more powerful and intrusive than most people think. And Obama does his usual lying and covering up. POS Obama is the most deceitful leader in the history of the earth.
snowden is the man. now when I talk about all the stuff government is doing people can no longer call me paranoid. its funny to see regular citizens call him a traitor. the government has this giant layer of secrecy from the American people and people actually believe its for their benefit. the government keeps secrets from you to benefit the corrupt government, not to benefit americans.
I'm sure some good and bad will come out of Snowden's efforts over the next several decades. But I wouldn't call him America's biggest hero by any means. It's so easy to name others that had a much larger positive impact on the nation than Snowden. Abraham Lincoln and Martin Luther King come to mind.
it always shocks me how well Abraham Lincoln is treated by history.
"Civil War Statistics.
The Civil War, America's bloodiest conflict, cost nearly 1,100,000 casualties and claimed more than 620,000 lives. The campaigning armies left destruction in their wake, particularly in the Southern states that bore the brunt of the fighting."
abe Lincoln was a mass murderer of Americans. he is one of the worst people in the history of the world. if he would have avoided war instead of promoted war, that would have been great. but the US government loves corrupt wars.
One does not take an oath to hide illegal actions of the state.
Whether there were "illegal actions of the state" or not was not Snowden's call. With an agency of that size it would be unlikely that some of its policies wouldn't be considered illegal by some court. But he released more information than necessary if he simply wanted to change the data collection of individual phone calls. He cost American lives. We'll never know how many Americans died because of his treason, but we can be sure that his actions meant death to some of our best young men and women and weakened the security of our nation. Hero? Hell no, not to anyone who cares about America. Hero to our enemies? No, he's a traitor no matter how you look at it. Those who see it otherwise don't have a clear picture of the whole mess.
Some of the information may lead to changes for the good, but that's minuscule compared to the potential harm he's caused.
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Yea, and prior to Snowden's Revelations, espousing that the Government was spying on its own citizens was met with the same response. Put your tin foil hat on tighter.
Now you have people coming out of the woodwork saying "we all knew the government was spying on us" but prior to Snowden they would have said put your tin foil hat on tighter....
I was in military intelligence during the Vietnam Era. I personally wrote a several-page news release (ok'd by our commander and published by at least two daily newspapers) that one of our regular duties included intercepting and listening to private phone conversations as a way to find our own security leaks. (If we could gain sensitive military information by listening to phone conversations, reading news articles or watching TV, then the enemy could do it too.)
That would have been in '68 or '69. It's been common practice and knowledge for 45+ years -- probably much longer than that, but that's when I wrote the story, at the urging of my Group commander. I'm sure there have been some years when it was stopped for legal reasons, but for the most part, the military is charged with the security of the USA, and they're going to do their best to protect it.
The "public" will in one sentence say that U.S. Intelligence isn't accurate enough and in the next say they have too much power. We simply can't have it both ways.
Whether there were "illegal actions of the state" or not was not Snowden's call.
So it wasn't the call of those who blew the whistle on Enron either? They should have just kept it to themselves?
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With an agency of that size it would be unlikely that some of its policies wouldn't be considered illegal by some court. But he released more information than necessary if he simply wanted to change the data collection of individual phone calls. He cost American lives.
I can usually tell when I'm on the correct side. The counter arguments resort to lies.
I also have to quit here as to further honestly address your crap would likely tick off the mods.
Animosity towards whistleblowers may just be one of the ugliest aspects of American culture.
It is primitive tribalism.
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