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Old 10-21-2015, 05:24 PM
 
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I'm not particularly interested in worrying about the murky truth of what Netenyahu is saying; I'd like to know why he's bothering to bring it up? Al-Husseini has been dead for over 40 years. He died over a decade before Hamas, the current rulers of Palestine, even existed. Anything that man believed or did is basically irrelevant at this point.

All Netenyahu is doing is playing the 'Hitler card,' a common move made by politicians to generate a hatred for a certain thing. Israel is loaded with the stuff, understandably so, but still somewhat unhelpful at this point. Most holocaust survivors are dead or will be in the foreseeable future. Bringing it up is like talking about Jim Crow in America. It's used to generate a response, but 9/10 times, doesn't actually make an intelligible point.
With the increasing tension between Israelis and Palestinians, Netanyahu is stoking the flames with this comment.

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Hard to argue with that.


However, there is definitely a strong link.

A Genealogy of Evil: Anti-Semitism from Nazism to Islamic Jihad

I haven't read it, but I'll ask ole Dr. Pat the next time I see him if he disagrees with Bibi's timeline.
Netanyahu's timeline is wrong. He is already trying to walk back the comment and doing a poor job of it. Netanyahu denies exonerating Hitler of Holocaust blame

He has been roundly criticized by historians and others in the intervening days. The German government has even gone so far as to criticize the comments--an issue the German government has been highly sensitive about in the post-WWII years. The reporting has widely recognized that Hitler referenced his extermination goal in 1939, two years before ever meeting the Mufti.
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Old 10-21-2015, 05:26 PM
 
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I'm not particularly interested in worrying about the murky truth of what Netenyahu is saying; I'd like to know why he's bothering to bring it up? Al-Husseini has been dead for over 40 years. He died over a decade before Hamas, the current rulers of Palestine, even existed. Anything that man believed or did is basically irrelevant at this point.

All Netenyahu is doing is playing the 'Hitler card,' a common move made by politicians to generate a hatred for a certain thing. Israel is loaded with the stuff, understandably so, but still somewhat unhelpful at this point. Most holocaust survivors are dead or will be in the foreseeable future. Bringing it up is like talking about Jim Crow in America. It's used to generate a response, but 9/10 times, doesn't actually make an intelligible point.
If the whites were still considering Jim Crow as a positive thing, it would be very actual to bring it up.
The Palestinians think the the mufty is a hero.
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Old 10-21-2015, 05:53 PM
 
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I never liked this guy and he was only right on the Iran deal. But he is a moron and this statement has left him with egg on his face. Heck even Israelis, even those in his own party have slammed him for his idiotic statements.

This POS is so bent on demonizing Palestinians that as a Jewish man, he is willing to absolve indirectly Adolf Hitler, of responsibility for the Holocaust. And anyone thinks this guy wants or is capable of peace?

"
Mr Netanyahu insisted Adolf Hitler had only wanted to expel Jews from Europe, but that Grand Mufti of Jerusalem Haj Amin al-Husseini told him: "Burn them."
However, the chief historian at Israel's memorial to the Holocaust said this account was factually incorrect.
Angela Merkel said Germany "abides by its responsibility for the Holocaust".
"We are very clear in our minds about the Nazis' responsibility for the break with civilisation that was the Shoah," the German chancellor said.


A senior Palestinian official meanwhile said it showed Mr Netanyahu hated Palestinians so much he was willing to absolve Hitler.
Speaking alongside Mrs Merkel in Berlin, Mr Netanyahu said "no one should deny that Hitler was responsible for the Holocaust".
But Mr Netanyahu insisted the Mufti of Jerusalem "told the Nazis to prevent Jews fleeing from Europe and supported the Final Solution".
Tensions between Israelis and Palestinians have been worsened since early October by a spate of stabbing and shooting attacks - several of them fatal - on Israelis by Palestinians, and one apparent revenge stabbing by an Israeli.
Israeli security forces have also clashed with rioting Palestinians, leading to deaths on the Palestinian side. The violence has also spread to the border with Gaza."


Netanyahu Holocaust remarks: Israeli PM criticised - BBC News

Benjamin Netanyahu provoked Israel’s violence: The Israeli prime minister made his country’s strife worse.

Benjamin Netanyahu blames the Holocaust on a Palestinian mufti. That's ludicrous. - Vox

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Old 10-21-2015, 06:49 PM
 
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Netanyahu isn't trying to absolve Hitler--he's pointing out a truth that the Mufti was, in fact, involved with Hitler. Most people are unaware of this. There is indeed a tie between Nazism and radical Islam in how they both view Jews and their ideals and propaganda are eerily similar. This is why.
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Old 10-21-2015, 07:44 PM
 
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Why Hitler Wished He Was Muslim

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The Führer admired Atatürk’s subordination of religion to the state—and his ruthless treatment of minorities.

‘It’s been our misfortune to have the wrong religion,†Hitler complained to his pet architect Albert Speer. “Why did it have to be Christianity, with its meekness and flabbiness?†Islam was a Männerreligion—a “religion of menâ€â€”and hygienic too. The “soldiers of Islam†received a warrior’s heaven, “a real earthly paradise†with “houris†and “wine flowing.†This, Hitler argued, was much more suited to the “Germanic temperament†than the “Jewish filth and priestly twaddle†of Christianity.
And then there is the Muslim Brotherhood

Muslim Brotherhood & Hitler

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Muslim Brotherhood was founded in Egypt in 1928 by a 22-year old Muslim named Hassan al-Banna, who admired Adolf Hitler's hatred of the Jews and persistently wrote to Hitler to express his admiration for Hitler, as well as his desire for collaboration with Hitler's Nazi Party.

Haj Amin al Husseini and Adolf HitlerWhen Hitler rose to power, his Nazis supported al-Banna, a school teacher, to grow the Muslim Brotherhood into its ally in the Middle East; by 1938, the membership of Muslim Brotherhood topped 200,000.
and then there is this tidbit

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Due to the large number of Muslim volunteers, the Handschar Divisions were the largest of Hitler's 38 Waffen-SS divisions.
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Old 10-21-2015, 09:29 PM
 
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This story is absurd and has been refuted today by every other Israeli leader and Jewish scholar. The most powerful absolute ruler in Europe with millions of armed men at his beck and call is taking orders from the Mufti of Jerusalem. Get real people. The mufti was just kissing Hitler's ass in hopes Germany would invade Palestine and kick out the British.
Correct. The Mufti was a nobody.
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Old 10-21-2015, 09:41 PM
 
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Netanyahu isn't trying to absolve Hitler--he's pointing out a truth that the Mufti was, in fact, involved with Hitler. Most people are unaware of this. There is indeed a tie between Nazism and radical Islam in how they both view Jews and their ideals and propaganda are eerily similar. This is why.
Really? Radical Islam?

The truth is that the overwhelming majority of Nazi collaborators and murderers lived in Eastern and Southern Europe and were mostly Orthodox Christians (Ukrainians, Belorussians, Greeks..etc) Catholics (Poles, Croatians, Lithuanians, Austrians, etc) Protestants (Latvians, Estonians)....Muslims hardly touched a hair on a Jewish head during the Holocaust. Six plus million Jews were slaughtered by practicing Christians. This can't be denied

The overwhelming majority of murderers of Jews in their history have been Christians PERIOD! Not radical Islam.
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Old 10-21-2015, 09:54 PM
 
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Netanyahu isn't trying to absolve Hitler--he's pointing out a truth that the Mufti was, in fact, involved with Hitler. Most people are unaware of this. There is indeed a tie between Nazism and radical Islam in how they both view Jews and their ideals and propaganda are eerily similar. This is why.
You are doing everything to save Bibi. It won't work. The man is scary. He is a head case. Finding anything to justify hating and killing Palestinians is his mission.
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Old 10-21-2015, 09:58 PM
 
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Why Hitler Wished He Was Muslim



And then there is the Muslim Brotherhood

Muslim Brotherhood & Hitler






and then there is this tidbit
Along with the Church confirming the same thing!
Hitler's Mufti | Catholic Answers
Al-Husseini deepened his outreach to the Nazis in 1937 when he met with two Nazi SS officers, including Adolf Eichmann, one of the architects of the Holocaust in Damascus, Syria. The SS representatives had been sent at the express order of Reinhard Heydrich, the deputy head of the SS under Heinrich Himmler and chief of SS Intelligence and the Nazi security services, including the Gestapo. Heydrich recognized immediately that al-Husseini was a potentially valuable asset for Nazi interests in the Middle East and worked to cultivate him.

Four years later, al-Husseini threw his support to a pro-Nazi revolt in Iraq against the British-backed prime minister, Nuri Said Pasha. Going to Baghdad, al-Husseini issued a fatwa for a jihad against the British. Barely a month later, British troops ended the coup and occupied the country, whereupon al-Husseini fled to Iran. Although given sanctuary in the embassies of Japan and Italy, al-Husseini was again forced to be on the move when Iran was itself occupied by the British and Soviet armies. Al-Husseini made his way out of Iran with Italian diplomats who provided him with an Italian passport. He shaved his beard and dyed his hair to avoid being recognized by British agents and Iranian police.
At their meeting, al-Husseini requested German assistance with the Arab independence movement and Nazi support in the extermination of any Jewish homeland. For his part, Hitler promised to aid that liberation movement, but went still further, promising that the aim of Nazi Germany would be the elimination of all Jews living under British protection once such territories had been conquered. This was described by al-Husseini in his own memoirs:
Our fundamental condition for cooperating with Germany was a free hand to eradicate every last Jew from Palestine and the Arab world. I asked Hitler for an explicit undertaking to allow us to solve the Jewish people in a manner befitting our national and racial aspirations and according to the scientific methods innovated by Germany in the handling of its Jews. The answer I got was: "The Jews are yours." (Ami Isseroff and Peter FitzGerald-Morris, "The Iraq Coup Attempt of 1941, the Mufti, and the Farhud")
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Old 10-21-2015, 09:59 PM
 
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You are doing everything to save Bibi. It won't work. The man is scary. He is a head case. Finding anything to justify hating and killing Palestinians is his mission.
Not near as scary as people who fail to see who is behind all the hate of Israel.
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