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Old 10-22-2015, 01:21 PM
 
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The best person to support if you hate Israel is Bibi.

A dear friend of mine is on a plane to visit right now because, as a Mizrahi Jew who resembles the average Palestinian more than the average Israeli, she does not feel safe given the racial and ethnic violence coming from both sides. Luckily, she's in a position where she can work remotely while traveling for a little while. I met her when traveling in Israel and she was serving in the military - she didn't support Bibi then and she certainly doesn't now. Guess she hates Israel, eh?

Bibi isn't doing much to calm the clamors of hate coming from his camp. He's earning no favors among much of the diaspora, not to mention his own people.


yeah, it's all his fault. right... Abbas, hamas, their s&it-bag good for nothing cronies are such a peaceful people. They would never stand at the podium at the UN and incite resistance.

Bibi was re-elected because everyone else was more than happy to yet again, bow down to the world's demands, Israel's security be damned.
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Old 10-22-2015, 01:21 PM
 
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Every person in the Einsatzgruppen was raised as a Christian. ALL OF THEM.

Telling the truth isn't Christian bashing. The Holocaust was dreamed up and carried out EXCLUSIVELY by people raised as Christians and most were STILL practicing Christians.

Again, you can't disprove this. The Einsaztgruppen were assisted in the occupied nations by Christians. And they weren't the only murderers of Eastern European Jewry.

Typical tit for tat. Why should a Christian admit that Nazis were associated with Christians when it is still denied that the NKVD was heavily associated with Jews ? Do you think that the Russians were burning the same Orthodox churches they were attending? Perhaps no one noticed because Stalin, the Georgian, got around to them too?

I'll agree with this though, the history of Jews and Christians is far more turbulent than Jews and Muslims. So the idea of this inherent enmity seems to be a contrivance of the 20th century.
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Old 10-22-2015, 02:32 PM
 
Location: Camberville
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yeah, it's all his fault. right... Abbas, hamas, their s&it-bag good for nothing cronies are such a peaceful people. They would never stand at the podium at the UN and incite resistance.

Bibi was re-elected because everyone else was more than happy to yet again, bow down to the world's demands, Israel's security be damned.
More than one camp can be in the wrong. Saying Bibi is wrong in no way implies that Hamas is right. Know your logical fallacies.
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Old 10-22-2015, 02:57 PM
 
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Typical tit for tat. Why should a Christian admit that Nazis were associated with Christians when it is still denied that the NKVD was heavily associated with Jews ? Do you think that the Russians were burning the same Orthodox churches they were attending? Perhaps no one noticed because Stalin, the Georgian, got around to them too?

I'll agree with this though, the history of Jews and Christians is far more turbulent than Jews and Muslims. So the idea of this inherent enmity seems to be a contrivance of the 20th century.
Of course it is.

It's been pointed out in thread after thread that Jews were able to run to Arab/Muslim lands when they faced persecution and endless pogroms in Christian lands. You're spot on that the Arab vs Jew thing is basically a 20th century contrivance and to the extent of how deadly it's become, only became so because the western powers have exacerbated the situation. If the Jews and Arabs, who are family BTW, had been left on their own to sort out their own problems organically, they'd probably have put this morass behind them decades ago.
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Old 10-22-2015, 03:05 PM
 
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More than one camp can be in the wrong. Saying Bibi is wrong in no way implies that Hamas is right. Know your logical fallacies.
yeah yeah.... if Bibi farts, the world condemns.
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Old 10-22-2015, 03:08 PM
 
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yeah yeah.... if Bibi farts, the world condemns.
You obviously haven't smelled one of his farts.
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Old 10-22-2015, 03:14 PM
 
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The Mufti was nothing more than a Hitler brown noser with hopes that a Nazi victory would dislodge the British from his homeland. Another poster already pointed this out.
Netanyahu was right on when he emphasized the Mufti’s Holocaust complicity and activities before, during, and after the war when the Mufti lied about alleged Jewish intentions to expel Muslim and Islam from Jerusalem’s Temple Mount—the same lie that Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas repeats today in support of the current “knife Intifada.”

Netanyahu said: “Hitler didn't want to exterminate the Jews at the time, he wanted to expel the Jews. "And Haj Amin al-Husseini went to Hitler and said, ‘If you expel them, they'll all come here.' 'So what should I do with them?' he asked. He said, 'Burn them’.”

Netanyahu’s quotation of the Grand Mufti is word-for-word accurate, but it is not true that the Fuhrer needed the advice of Islam’s leading anti-Jewish fanatic to implement the Final Solution.
It's also not true to dismiss the Grand Mufti as inconsequential in the history of the Holocaust. This claim wrongly mitigates the Mufti’s mindset and crimes as one of the Hitler era’s leading anti-Jewish haters.

Who was Haj Amin al-Husseini and what was his historical significance? A relative of Yasser Arafat as well as ally of Hassan al-Banna, originator of Hamas’ parent organization, the Muslim Brotherhood, the Grand Mufti was a moving force behind Palestinian Jew hatred, from the riots of 1920 and 1929 through the 1936-1939 bloody Arab Uprising against the Holy Land’s Jewish community, long before his WWII support of Nazi Germany.

According to Historian Robert Wistrich’s Hitler and the Holocaust (2001), the Mufti escaped British scrutiny in Jerusalem after the war’s outbreak for the more friendly confines of Berlin, where, in November, 1941, he had tea with Hitler who asked him “to lock in the innermost depths of his heart” that he (Hitler) “would carry on the battle to the total destruction of the Judeo-Communist Empire in Europe.” In 1942, Fred Grobba wrote approvingly of the Mufti’s visit with members of the Nazi elite to “the concentration camp Oranienburg . . . . The visit lasted about two hours with very satisfying results . . . . the Jews aroused particular interest among the Arabs. . . . It [the visit] . . . made a very favorable impression on the Arabs.”

In 1943, the Mufti extended his relations with the German Foreign Office and Abwehr directly to the SS Main Office. Gottlob Berger arranged a meeting between al-Husayni and SS chief Heinrich Himmler on July 3, 1943. Al-Husayni sent Himmler birthday greetings on October 6, and expressed the hope that “the coming year would make our cooperation even closer and bring us closer to our common goals.” The Grand Mufti also helped organize a Muslim Waffen SS Battalion, known as the Hanjars, that slaughtered ninety percent of Bosnia’s Jews, and were dispatched to Croatia and Hungary. The Mufti also made broadcasts to the Middle East urging Arabs and Muslims to honor Allah by implementing their own Final Solution.

After the War, Great Britain, the U.S., and Yugoslavia indicted the Mufti as a war criminal, but Yugoslavia dropped its extradition request to France, and legal proceedings were abandoned so as not to upset the Arab world. Escaping back to the Middle East, Al-Husseini continued his genocidal exhortations and rejectionist demands that the Jewish presence be erased from Palestine continued unabated before and during the 1948 War by five Arab states against Israel. Only then, did his influence gradually decline. He died in 1974, not long after Arab armies almost succeeded in destroying Israel in an attack launched on Judaism’s holiest day, Yom Kippur.

Far from a light weight, the Grand Mufti will be remembered as one the twentieth century’s most virulent Jew haters and a key cheerleader for Hitler’s genocidal Final Solution.

Please stop your repeated dismissals of this war criminal as inconsequential.
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Old 10-22-2015, 04:08 PM
 
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Netanyahu was right on when he emphasized the Mufti’s Holocaust complicity and activities before, during, and after the war when the Mufti lied about alleged Jewish intentions to expel Muslim and Islam from Jerusalem’s Temple Mount—the same lie that Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas repeats today in support of the current “knife Intifada.”

Netanyahu said: “Hitler didn't want to exterminate the Jews at the time, he wanted to expel the Jews. "And Haj Amin al-Husseini went to Hitler and said, ‘If you expel them, they'll all come here.' 'So what should I do with them?' he asked. He said, 'Burn them’.”

Netanyahu’s quotation of the Grand Mufti is word-for-word accurate, but it is not true that the Fuhrer needed the advice of Islam’s leading anti-Jewish fanatic to implement the Final Solution.
It's also not true to dismiss the Grand Mufti as inconsequential in the history of the Holocaust. This claim wrongly mitigates the Mufti’s mindset and crimes as one of the Hitler era’s leading anti-Jewish haters.

Who was Haj Amin al-Husseini and what was his historical significance? A relative of Yasser Arafat as well as ally of Hassan al-Banna, originator of Hamas’ parent organization, the Muslim Brotherhood, the Grand Mufti was a moving force behind Palestinian Jew hatred, from the riots of 1920 and 1929 through the 1936-1939 bloody Arab Uprising against the Holy Land’s Jewish community, long before his WWII support of Nazi Germany.

According to Historian Robert Wistrich’s Hitler and the Holocaust (2001), the Mufti escaped British scrutiny in Jerusalem after the war’s outbreak for the more friendly confines of Berlin, where, in November, 1941, he had tea with Hitler who asked him “to lock in the innermost depths of his heart” that he (Hitler) “would carry on the battle to the total destruction of the Judeo-Communist Empire in Europe.” In 1942, Fred Grobba wrote approvingly of the Mufti’s visit with members of the Nazi elite to “the concentration camp Oranienburg . . . . The visit lasted about two hours with very satisfying results . . . . the Jews aroused particular interest among the Arabs. . . . It [the visit] . . . made a very favorable impression on the Arabs.”

In 1943, the Mufti extended his relations with the German Foreign Office and Abwehr directly to the SS Main Office. Gottlob Berger arranged a meeting between al-Husayni and SS chief Heinrich Himmler on July 3, 1943. Al-Husayni sent Himmler birthday greetings on October 6, and expressed the hope that “the coming year would make our cooperation even closer and bring us closer to our common goals.” The Grand Mufti also helped organize a Muslim Waffen SS Battalion, known as the Hanjars, that slaughtered ninety percent of Bosnia’s Jews, and were dispatched to Croatia and Hungary. The Mufti also made broadcasts to the Middle East urging Arabs and Muslims to honor Allah by implementing their own Final Solution.

After the War, Great Britain, the U.S., and Yugoslavia indicted the Mufti as a war criminal, but Yugoslavia dropped its extradition request to France, and legal proceedings were abandoned so as not to upset the Arab world. Escaping back to the Middle East, Al-Husseini continued his genocidal exhortations and rejectionist demands that the Jewish presence be erased from Palestine continued unabated before and during the 1948 War by five Arab states against Israel. Only then, did his influence gradually decline. He died in 1974, not long after Arab armies almost succeeded in destroying Israel in an attack launched on Judaism’s holiest day, Yom Kippur.

Far from a light weight, the Grand Mufti will be remembered as one the twentieth century’s most virulent Jew haters and a key cheerleader for Hitler’s genocidal Final Solution.

Please stop your repeated dismissals of this war criminal as inconsequential.
Funny...the Germans disagree:

Germany tells Netanyahu: We are responsible for the Holocaust - BBC News

Nuff said. End of story.
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Old 10-22-2015, 04:29 PM
 
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Funny...the Germans disagree:

Germany tells Netanyahu: We are responsible for the Holocaust - BBC News

Nuff said. End of story.
Well, well. Germany takes full responsibility while Bibi supporters try to frame someone else to promote hatred of Muslims. At least there is sensible leadership in Germany.
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Old 10-22-2015, 04:43 PM
 
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Well, well. Germany takes full responsibility while Bibi supporters try to frame someone else to promote hatred of Muslims. At least there is sensible leadership in Germany.
Wish I could say the same for these Israel First maniacs.

Lol...I guess they didn't think the REAL perpetrators of the Holocaust would sound off.
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