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Old 10-22-2015, 11:47 AM
 
Location: Minnesota
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One of the most brilliant acts of our founding fathers was to craft the Constitution in such a way as to make it malleable enough to survive what they foresaw as changing times. I have little doubt that some of the ambiguous wording was deliberate in order to allow flexibility. And if that flexibility was insufficient, amendments were an option.

So, in answer to your question, the Constitution is not only applicable, it's the framework of our system of government and has been since the beginning.

Those who continually grumble about unconstitutional actions are 99 times out of 100 just grousing about some minor political defeat their side has just managed to pull off and resort to silly hyperbole to try to denigrate the other side's victory.

It almost always evens out over the long run.

Well said ! My feelings exactly !

I cannot even imagine the mess we'd be in if we attempted to write a brand new Constitution at this point in time. It would be a CF of epic proportions I'm sure.

While our founding fathers were far from perfect, I'm quite sure that there was more reasoned thought and rational ideas discussed than there ever would be today. Today, if one group or another thought it possible, they would promote there be a line in the constitution that their neighbor needed to give them $500 bucks a month because, well, just because we think that's a good idea. It's all about me !
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Old 10-22-2015, 11:51 AM
 
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Well said ! My feelings exactly !

I cannot even imagine the mess we'd be in if we attempted to write a brand new Constitution at this point in time. It would be a CF of epic proportions I'm sure.

While our founding fathers were far from perfect, I'm quite sure that there was more reasoned thought and rational ideas discussed than there ever would be today. Today, if one group or another thought it possible, they would promote there be a line in the constitution that their neighbor needed to give them $500 bucks a month because, well, just because we think that's a good idea. It's all about me !
No need to rewrite it because it's only paid lip service ...if that.

And as to one neighbor being forced to pay another neighbor $500 bucks a month, there are already plenty of variations of that theme going on right now and no amendment was ever needed.
Time to wake up.
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Old 10-22-2015, 12:31 PM
 
Location: Prepperland
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THE CONSTITUTION IS NOT IMPORTANT
The republican form of government IS.
. . .
" Personal liberty, or the Right to enjoyment of life and liberty, is one of the fundamental or natural Rights, which has been protected by its inclusion as a guarantee in the various constitutions, which is not derived from, or dependent on, the U.S. Constitution, which may not be submitted to a vote and may not depend on the outcome of an election. It is one of the most sacred and valuable Rights, as sacred as the Right to private property...and is regarded as inalienable."
- - - 16 Corpus Juris Secundum, Constitutional Law, Sect.202, p.987.
The SOURCE of those sacred endowed rights is the DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE.
That's why Americans can assert that their CREATOR endowed them with LIFE (and all harmless activities in support thereof), LIBERTY (natural and personal), SELF DEFENSE of person and property, and ABSOLUTE OWNERSHIP (of self, labor, private property, etc) and not subject to the "Will of the Majority."

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"What I do say is that no man is good enough to govern another man without that other's consent. I say this is the leading principle, the sheet-anchor of American republicanism. Our Declaration of Independence says: "We hold these truths to be self-evident: That all men are created equal; that they are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights; that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed."
- - - Abraham Lincoln, Speech at Peoria, Illinois (1854)
http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Abraham_lincoln

As Lincoln reminds us, under the republican form, promised by the USCON, instituted by the Declaration of Independence, NO MAN (nor American government) is good enough to govern you without your consent. Without your consent, all that government is authorized to do is secure rights (prosecute trespass; adjudicate disputes; defend against enemies, foreign or domestic).


If you consent otherwise... then all bets are off.
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Old 10-22-2015, 01:09 PM
 
Location: Secure Bunker
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First and Second Amendment should be repealed; let the majority decide through real democracy.
So you want to eliminate the protection of free speech, the right to bear arms, and then institute mob rule?

If you don't value your own liberty that's your business. But stay out of mine.
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Old 10-22-2015, 01:16 PM
 
Location: Native of Any Beach/FL
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They're not. Once elected, regardless of any promises they do whatever they please

No they do as they are told--- bought and paid for -before we voted
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Old 10-22-2015, 01:20 PM
 
Location: Native of Any Beach/FL
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i think they need to have civic class again in schools- people do NOT know this stuff- and when they ask people in the street questions like who is the pope or who is Biden they have NO idea-- none! maybe that's why they fall behind some idea or person without a clue of what is really going on.
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Old 10-22-2015, 02:30 PM
 
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Don't tempt me.

Article. I. Section. 1.
All legislative Powers herein granted shall be vested in a Congress of the United States, which shall consist of a Senate and House of Representatives.


Removing the only only thing that makes Congress legitimate brings inappropriate urges.
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Old 10-22-2015, 03:00 PM
 
Location: Palo Alto
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First and Second Amendment should be repealed; let the majority decide through real democracy.

Hope the mods delete your posts. Free speech is so overrated.
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Old 10-22-2015, 03:27 PM
 
Location: NJ/NY
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First and Second Amendment should be repealed; let the majority decide through real democracy.
You have been saying this same nonsense for years under a variety of different screen names...

Under this screen name...

//www.city-data.com/forum/polit...abolished.html

And how about under this one...

//www.city-data.com/forum/athei...not-exist.html

There are others too, but I don't feel like searching right now.

Last edited by AnesthesiaMD; 10-22-2015 at 03:52 PM..
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Old 10-22-2015, 03:31 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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So you're saying our Constitution is a "dead document".
No, but it is fixed and known.
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