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Old 11-16-2015, 07:38 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Obama told you what he wanted to.
Seems Obama here and there has sent all kinds of little groups in without talking much about what Iraqi leaders think.

He is a mess of a President on every level. Now me has screwed up the world with his withdrawal of the 10,000 troops.
I suggest you get off this forum and scream at a Faux Nooze TV screen 24/7 and blame Obama for everything in the world. You will be in good company with people who are also devoid of facts.

President Obama followed the U.S.–Iraq Status of Forces Agreement which was a status of forces agreement (SOFA) between Iraq and the United States, signed by President George W. Bush in 2008. It established that U.S. combat forces would withdraw from Iraqi cities by June 30, 2009, and all U.S. combat forces will be completely out of Iraq by December 31, 2011."

Why don't you blame Bush for this Agreement instead of President Obama for enforcing it? President Obama was ELECTED by the American people to end the Wars in IRAQ & AFGHANISTAN so I suggest you blame the American Electorate in 2008 who didn't want us in IRAQ in the first place!

You should be more concerned about the fact that Dubya / Cheney lied the US & the rest of the World into a War in IRAQ based on false pretenses (WMD's) then said OOPS!
They are War criminals and should be tried in the Hague!
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Old 11-16-2015, 08:34 PM
 
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Another raging liberal. Sigh. The truth is that they had bad intelligence, didn't lie. The war was a mistake, you're right. You're also right that Bush was the one who made the withdrawal date, because Iraq didn't want us there.

HOWEVER, Obama's managing of this is **** poor. Why didn't he send in troops to get rid of ISIS before they became this strong? And if he wasn't going to enforce his "red line, Assad must go", then why say it in the first place and make us look weak to Russia and China? Why has he been making foolish deals with Iran and supporting the Palestinians, who killed more Americans last year than ISIS? Why is he always defending Islam and basing America, Israel, and Christianity? He's dividing this nation, not being a leader or acting presidential. Now he wants to bring in refugees after the Paris attack, and STILL thinks that ISIS is being "degraded", despite saying it is a "JV Team"? What planet it he on?

Oh, and by the way, if you're gonna criticize Bush for Iraq, criticize hypocrite Obama for doing the same thing in Libya, which resulted in the Benghazi Attack.
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Old 11-16-2015, 08:39 PM
 
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The terrorists are to blame for the terrorism. Obama is only helping to facilitate it.
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Old 11-16-2015, 09:20 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Another raging liberal. Sigh. The truth is that they had bad intelligence, didn't lie. The war was a mistake, you're right. You're also right that Bush was the one who made the withdrawal date, because Iraq didn't want us there.

HOWEVER, Obama's managing of this is **** poor. Why didn't he send in troops to get rid of ISIS before they became this strong? And if he wasn't going to enforce his "red line, Assad must go", then why say it in the first place and make us look weak to Russia and China? Why has he been making foolish deals with Iran and supporting the Palestinians, who killed more Americans last year than ISIS? Why is he always defending Islam and basing America, Israel, and Christianity? He's dividing this nation, not being a leader or acting presidential. Now he wants to bring in refugees after the Paris attack, and STILL thinks that ISIS is being "degraded", despite saying it is a "JV Team"? What planet it he on?

Oh, and by the way, if you're gonna criticize Bush for Iraq, criticize hypocrite Obama for doing the same thing in Libya, which resulted in the Benghazi Attack.
You are going to compare a full scale Invasion of a Sovereign Nation in IRAQ by Dubya / Cheney and his OIL corporate minions which killed over 100,000+ Innocent Iraqis & 5,000+ American troops to losing a Ambassador in a terrorist incident!

How is that even comparable?

How is Obama even "bashing" Israel? Wasn't it Netanyahu who spoke to Congress a year ago without talking to the Administration beforehand?
What is funny is that Netanyahu was sucking up to the President last week in DC because he needs to renew the 10 year Security Funding from Obama and needs a increase from $3.1 BILLION per year to $5.3 BILLION a year now.

Please show us were Palestinians killed more Americans than ISIS?
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Old 11-16-2015, 11:04 PM
 
Location: New Orleans, La. USA
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Fixed it for ya
Enigma777's post #33 said it all.

The laws regarding US soldiers being moved out of Iraq were signed by GW Bush in 2008.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S.%E...rces_Agreement

This thread is directly attacking B. Obama for an agreement that was signed by GW Bush.


Whats better for America,

1.) An honest conversation about the best ways to stop terrorist attacks.
2.) A Obama bash session where people ATTACK Obama for laws that were signed by GW Bush.

Whats better 1 or 2 ???
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Old 11-18-2015, 01:01 AM
 
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The terrorists are to blame for the terrorism. Obama is only helping to facilitate it.

We have a winner!
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Old 11-18-2015, 01:06 AM
 
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I suggest you get off this forum and scream at a Faux Nooze TV screen 24/7 and blame Obama for everything in the world. You will be in good company with people who are also devoid of facts.

President Obama followed the U.S.–Iraq Status of Forces Agreement which was a status of forces agreement (SOFA) between Iraq and the United States, signed by President George W. Bush in 2008. It established that U.S. combat forces would withdraw from Iraqi cities by June 30, 2009, and all U.S. combat forces will be completely out of Iraq by December 31, 2011."

Why don't you blame Bush for this Agreement instead of President Obama for enforcing it? President Obama was ELECTED by the American people to end the Wars in IRAQ & AFGHANISTAN so I suggest you blame the American Electorate in 2008 who didn't want us in IRAQ in the first place!

You should be more concerned about the fact that Dubya / Cheney lied the US & the rest of the World into a War in IRAQ based on false pretenses (WMD's) then said OOPS!
They are War criminals and should be tried in the Hague!

God bless your trusting nature in Obama.

Obama as we have seen with Obamacare, Immigration and anything else does not believe in his own limitations.

He ran during the elections on removing all the troops out of the Middle East and closing down Gitmo which the stupid SOB will probably do.

The removing of the 10,000 troops at a date certain which assured a terrorist take over of the region was the Obama plan.
We are all over the place in the Middle East now along with all these other countries because what you are saying above about why Obama pulled out is IMO total BS.

He campaigned on pulling out and turning these lands over to terrorist. Or as he put it, the JV team. As an almost member of the JV team himself he can relate.
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Old 11-18-2015, 01:42 AM
 
Location: Pasadena, CA
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Right-wingers may have omitted the years 2001-2008 from their memories, but us sane folks haven't.

The instability we're currently witnessing is a direct result of Bush's failed war of choice in Iraq. He even set the timetable for withdrawal.

His abomination of a presidency is the gift that keeps on giving. As for the boots on the ground you're obviously clamoring for--forget it. 76% of Americans oppose sending ground troops to combat ISIS.
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Old 11-18-2015, 02:40 AM
 
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Right-wingers may have omitted the years 2001-2008 from their memories, but us sane folks haven't.

The instability we're currently witnessing is a direct result of Bush's failed war of choice in Iraq. He even set the timetable for withdrawal.

His abomination of a presidency is the gift that keeps on giving. As for the boots on the ground you're obviously clamoring for--forget it. 76% of Americans oppose sending ground troops to combat ISIS.
Dear God, yes we should have all listened to Trump I agree. Including all Democrats like Hillary that saw the same information and also agreed we should go in.

Did you forget we also won the war to the point we stabilized the whole country with just 10,000 troops needed to maintain the peace.
George Bush (who you hate) actually stated exactly what happened to us with Obama would happen 100% if he removed the troops before the right time.
But Obama made a campaign promise to remove the troops, so what if he gave it to Isis, maybe caused the deaths of hundreds of thousands and has Radical refugees now flooding the world, right?

Obama's choices that give us today's problems are George Bush's fault. George came over with a gun to Obama's head and just forced Obama to remove the troops and to announce to the terrorist the day they would be gone right?

Selective memory you have my friend, selective memory.
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Old 11-18-2015, 02:50 AM
 
Location: Toronto
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Of course Obama would be responsible. He's responsible for everything in the entire world that goes wrong.

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