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Old 12-04-2015, 02:02 PM
 
Location: Arizona, The American Southwest
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Proof once again that no matter how many laws exist, terrorists and criminals will break them, even in California, which is one of the states with the strictest gun control laws in the nation.

•The shooters used weapons they did not purchase (sounds like a straw purchase or illegal transfer).

•The shooters modified guns to accept high-capacity magazines.

•The shooters modified guns for automatic fire

https://pjmedia.com/trending/2015/12...-in-california
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Old 12-04-2015, 02:04 PM
 
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Old 12-04-2015, 02:05 PM
 
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The pipe bombs are illegal in all 50 States, yet the Jihadists had them.
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Old 12-04-2015, 02:11 PM
 
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Remote controlled cars will soon need to be registered
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Old 12-04-2015, 02:14 PM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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Proof once again that no matter how many laws exist, terrorists and criminals will break them, even in California, which is one of the states with the strictest gun control laws in the nation.

•The shooters used weapons they did not purchase (sounds like a straw purchase or illegal transfer).

•The shooters modified guns to accept high-capacity magazines.

•The shooters modified guns for automatic fire

https://pjmedia.com/trending/2015/12...-in-california
Then I guess we shouldn't have laws against murder, rape and theft -- because people are still going to murder, rape and steal anyway.
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Old 12-04-2015, 02:16 PM
 
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Then I guess we shouldn't have laws against murder, rape and theft -- because people are still going to murder, rape and steal anyway.
The point is that criminals aren't going to obey the gun laws. You can make it a death penalty charge and they still won't care.
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Old 12-04-2015, 02:22 PM
 
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Then I guess we shouldn't have laws against murder, rape and theft -- because people are still going to murder, rape and steal anyway.

The point is that there already are laws on the books for what the shooters did.
Reacting to this by creating additional laws that restrict guns for law abiding citizens will do nothing to prevent another attack like this one.

What we SHOULD be concentrating on is this asinine concept of political correctness and being worried about getting called a racist or a bigot if you see something suspicious.
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Old 12-04-2015, 02:31 PM
 
Location: Arizona, The American Southwest
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Then I guess we shouldn't have laws against murder, rape and theft -- because people are still going to murder, rape and steal anyway.
This has nothing to do with laws against murder, rape and theft. The fact of the matter is, laws against murder and other serious offenses have been around since the beginning of time, and long before guns were introduced, yet criminals still never cared about laws.

California's strict gun laws only take away the right of decent people to defend themselves.
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Old 12-04-2015, 02:32 PM
 
Location: Jacksonville, FL
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Then I guess we shouldn't have laws against murder, rape and theft -- because people are still going to murder, rape and steal anyway.
Our legal system is not meant to prevent crime. It is meant to provide an avenue of punishment for those who commit a crime. Any deterrence is just a byproduct. Rape, murder, and theft are not prevented by laws against those crimes, they are prevented by the fact that most people are mentally and morally stable enough to not have a desire to commit those crimes.
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Old 12-04-2015, 02:36 PM
 
Location: Honolulu/DMV Area/NYC
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The point is that there already are laws on the books for what the shooters did.
Reacting to this by creating additional laws that restrict guns for law abiding citizens will do nothing to prevent another attack like this one.

What we SHOULD be concentrating on is this asinine concept of political correctness and being worried about getting called a racist or a bigot if you see something suspicious.
Pretty much. Its really that simple. If I saw a gun control law introduced that would actually serve to limit crime, as opposed to just further restrict the rights of law-abiding citizens, I would back that law in a heartbeat. Note, I've already offered a proposal for such a law in the forum several times; whether my proposal could pass in Congress/state legislatures is another story. And, note, while I don't expect people to be carrying in their workplaces as a general matter, I ask others how many of these senseless attacks could have been avoided (or the damage lessened) had the law allowed for more people to arm themselves? I think its telling that these attacks are generally occurring in "gun-free" zones. Also, for those hell bent on more gun control, I just say look at Paris: Intensely strict gun control, yet Jihadists were able to do what they just did and law-abiding citizens were at their mercy as a result.
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