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Old 12-07-2015, 07:07 AM
 
Location: Tennessee
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On Sept 11, a lot of people died in NYC from planes deliberately crashing into buildings. I think the people of NYC should stop flying. All of them. Yes, yes give up flying. Turn in your plane tickets. How easy is it for you to fly? Too easy. You just buy a ticket. We know YOU don't crash planes into buildings but that doesn't matter. You'd be sending a message. Besides, think of the environmental impact.

Now, put on your helmets and go to your safe spaces. The NY Times Building is probably one.
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Old 12-07-2015, 07:20 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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False compared to what? 20/20 hindisght?

Clinton signed the Iraq Liberation Act authorizing the use of our military to liberate Iraq in 1998. Did Clinton and his Admin lie, too?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=457jp8VGhEE
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Old 12-07-2015, 07:22 AM
 
Location: Cape Cod
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What is wrong with asking people to turn in their guns? They can ask but how many will take them up on it?

I like when the police offer the buy back programs, sure most of the guns they take in are junk but letting people turn in guns they don't want or need anymore is a good way to keep them from falling into the wrong hands.


That being said if the people of NYC want to turn in their guns let them. I'm sure the criminals and would be terrorists will be happy to see that.
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Old 12-07-2015, 07:29 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Reading that report I had a different take, yes there were some problems but it is well documented that Hans Blix and his team wanted to continue, the administration wanted to go in immediately. Iraq was mostly cooperating
Wow. No. They were obfuscating and hiding materials/weapons according to Obama's own current Director of National Intelligence.
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"The director [Clapper] of a top American spy agency said Tuesday that he believed that material from Iraq's illicit weapons program had been transported into Syria and perhaps other countries as part of an effort by the Iraqis to disperse and destroy evidence immediately before the recent war.

The official, James R. Clapper Jr., a retired lieutenant general, said satellite imagery showing a heavy flow of traffic from Iraq into Syria, just before the American invasion in March, led him to believe that illicit weapons material ''unquestionably'' had been moved out of Iraq."
THE STRUGGLE FOR IRAQ - WEAPONS SEARCH - Iraqis Removed Arms Material, U.S. Aide Says - NYTimes.com

Clapper was speaking in his then capacity as the Director of the National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency.
https://www.nga.mil/Pages/default.aspx

He is currently Obama's Director of National Intelligence.
Director of National Intelligence

And exactly how would Iraq know to move its illicit weapons right before the invasion? Answer: The treasonous stunt Rockefeller pulled that prompted Iraq to move the weapons:
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Rockefeller (D-WV): "I took a trip by myself in January of 2002 to Saudi Arabia, Jordan and Syria, and I told each of the heads of state that it was my view that George Bush had already made up his mind to go to war against Iraq, that that was a predetermined set course which had taken shape shortly after 9/11."
Transcript: Sens. Roberts, Rockefeller

Oh, and by the way... Rockefeller voted FOR the Iraq War.
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Old 12-07-2015, 07:35 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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Wow. No. They were obfuscating and hiding materials/weapons according to Obama's own current Director of National Intelligence.

THE STRUGGLE FOR IRAQ - WEAPONS SEARCH - Iraqis Removed Arms Material, U.S. Aide Says - NYTimes.com

Clapper was speaking in his then capacity as the Director of the National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency.
https://www.nga.mil/Pages/default.aspx

He is currently Obama's Director of National Intelligence.
Director of National Intelligence

And exactly how would Iraq know to move its illicit weapons right before the invasion? Answer: The treasonous stunt Rockefeller pulled that prompted Iraq to move the weapons:


Transcript: Sens. Roberts, Rockefeller

Oh, and by the way... Rockefeller voted FOR the Iraq War.
You're trying to change history, if they didn't want to believe their own independent inspection team inside Iraq then who do you believe??

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Blix accused U.S. President George W. Bush and U.K. Prime Minister Tony Blair of acting not in bad faith, but with a severe lack of "critical thinking." The United States and Britain failed to examine the sources of their primary intelligence - Iraqi defectors with their own agendas for encouraging regime change - with a skeptical eye, he alleged. In the buildup to the war, Saddam Hussein and the Iraqis were cooperating with U.N. inspections, and in February 2003 had provided Blix's team with the names of hundreds of scientists to interview, individuals Saddam claimed had been involved in the destruction of banned weapons. Had the inspections been allowed to continue, Blix said, there would likely be a very different situation in Iraq today. As it was, America's pre-emptive, unilateral actions "have bred more terrorism there and elsewhere."
U.N. weapons inspector Hans Blix faults Bush Administration for lack of "critical thinking" in Iraq
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Old 12-07-2015, 07:47 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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What is wrong with asking people to turn in their guns? They can ask but how many will take them up on it?

I like when the police offer the buy back programs, sure most of the guns they take in are junk but letting people turn in guns they don't want or need anymore is a good way to keep them from falling into the wrong hands.


That being said if the people of NYC want to turn in their guns let them. I'm sure the criminals and would be terrorists will be happy to see that.
Nothing except watching some real nice shooting irons getting "stolen" from widows that have no idea how much they are worth.
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Old 12-07-2015, 07:52 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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You're trying to change history, if they didn't want to believe their own independent inspection team inside Iraq then who do you believe??
They did believe Blix. I posted excerpts from his January 2003 update. He stated very explicitly there were significant unaccounted for WMD materials and weapons.

Had Rockefeller not tipped off Saudi Arabia, Jordan and Syria in advance, Iraq wouldn't have been able to move the materials/weapons out of the country as Clapper stated, and they could have been destroyed/confiscated.
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Old 12-07-2015, 08:51 AM
 
Location: Gone
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False compared to what? 20/20 hindisght?

Clinton signed the Iraq Liberation Act authorizing the use of our military to liberate Iraq in 1998. Did Clinton and his Admin lie, too?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=457jp8VGhEE
But he did not invade (liberate) them, Dubya used his broad powers to fight terror as his mandate to invade Iraq, which by the way had very little to do with terrorist attacks, and look what it got us.
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Old 12-07-2015, 10:01 AM
 
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False compared to what? 20/20 hindisght?

Clinton signed the Iraq Liberation Act authorizing the use of our military to liberate Iraq in 1998. Did Clinton and his Admin lie, too?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=457jp8VGhEE
I don`t know if they lied but it`s likely they didn`t have accurate information on weapons programs. Bush did have the information that there were no wmds to be found and he invaded anyway. Those deaths and the trillions of dollars are on the GOP and nobody else. Going back to 1998 looking for a scape goat for your party`s 2003 fiasco is pathetic to be kind.
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Old 12-07-2015, 10:04 AM
 
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They did believe Blix. I posted excerpts from his January 2003 update. He stated very explicitly there were significant unaccounted for WMD materials and weapons.

Had Rockefeller not tipped off Saudi Arabia, Jordan and Syria in advance, Iraq wouldn't have been able to move the materials/weapons out of the country as Clapper stated, and they could have been destroyed/confiscated.
Why would they move their only defenses out of the country when they know that they were about to be invaded? Would you?
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