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Old 01-06-2016, 07:25 PM
 
Location: USA
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History books written by Obama fawning progressives will be kind to Obama. Real history won't.
Im thinking he will be viewed as a combination of LBJ and Carter.
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Old 01-06-2016, 07:42 PM
 
Location: Near Falls Lake
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I suspect that if you were to observe what historians say about President Obama that the end result will be poorly thought of-perhaps just above Jimmy Carter (but not by much).
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Old 01-07-2016, 04:45 AM
 
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- Welfare president,
- Middle-class wages have been stagnant and many of the gains in the recovery have gone to the wealthy,
- The rise of the Islamic State, an increasingly assertive Russia on Obama's watch,
- Executive over-reach,

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Old 01-07-2016, 04:56 AM
 
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- Teleprompter president. The teleprompter probably even told him to "cry".

- Delusions of grandeur,
- Cult like supporters,
- Cultish media that covers the truth and won't challenge him,
- Lectures the American people who dare disagree with him.... Bad America!
- Narcissistic and petulant,
- Pimp walk who preaching like he's lecturing in a church,
- no, no, no, no, it's God Damn America

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Old 01-07-2016, 08:53 AM
 
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Throws like a girl.
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Old 01-07-2016, 11:37 AM
 
Location: Østenfor sol og vestenfor måne
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All former president receive ten points for Gryffindor after their presidency ends, but Obama, like GW Bush, Nixon, others started their post-presidency from a pretty low level of esteem and respect to ever become icons of American leadership.

I do think that Obama may get a few extra sympathy points, too as he did/does have a lot going against him from the get-go, and he'll get a boost for breaking the race barrier to the office, but no, I don't think he will be widely considered a 'hero president'.

Even among his supporters and defenders, there is a lot of 'Obama fatigue'. It seems like a lot of Democrats are indifferent, at best, at this point.
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Old 01-07-2016, 12:15 PM
 
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He'll be known as the first black President (though he is half white). I don't think Obamacare will last but he will be judged on its success or failure (which I think will be a dramatic failure over time). Politically he won handily both times but Congress and the Senate flipped to both Republican during his reign and we now have more elected Republicans than at any time since 1928...if Republicans win the Presidency in 2016 and retain the 2 Houses of Congress, he will be seen as causing the complete destruction of Liberal Democrat power.

Since we don't know what will happen in the next year, it could be everything written about obama could be from some things that happen in the next year.
It needs to be destroyed before they destroy this country with their open borders.
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Old 01-07-2016, 12:16 PM
 
Location: Secure Bunker
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" History will be kind to Obama "

Only if it never mentions him.
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Old 01-07-2016, 12:38 PM
 
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When did I miss the war in Iraq ending?
As if anyone should be touting pulling troops out of Iraq with no status of forces agreement, only to have larges portions of the country fall to ISIS. Obama's part of the Iraq war was a complete and utter failure, and this is coming from someone who hated George Bush and thought we should have never gone into Iraq in the first place. George Bush gets no credit either, but at least it was pretty stable when he left office. It was always going to devolve regardless, but no one ever thought it would be so swift and terrible.
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Old 01-07-2016, 12:40 PM
 
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Obamacare is the direct result of the insurance and drug industries hijacking the American health care system and the Republicans in Congress blocking any form of meaningful reform prior to Obama and dems getting the narrow window in which they passed the ACA.

It takes two to create debt, the Congress and the President. The President has no power to spend money unless Congress authorizes or directs the spending. He also has no power not to spend non-discretionary spending, unless Congress agrees in what is a convoluted and difficult process. He must spend by law, as Reagan found out when he tried to impound certain appropriated funds that Congress had directed be spent and Reagan felt were wasteful. Congress sued and Reagan was forced to spend the funds. It went all the way to the Supreme Court who ruled unanimously that Reagan had to spend the funds.

Race relations are bad. Obama owns a big piece of that, in my opinion.
I don't think you can really get away with blaming the GOP for the Democrats allowing the ACA to be completely written by the insurance lobbyists. They had the votes to get expanded Medicare if they had wanted it, but they don't really want that because it would destroy the insurance industry.
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