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Old 01-07-2016, 10:23 AM
 
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So it doesn't count?
Were di I imply anything of the kind?

Sandy was a freak once in a hundred years kind of perfect storm. But the global warming nutters will point to it as proof of climate change all the time.

Just as they point to Katrina is used as warmist propaganda, when most of its damage was caused due in part to the flooding because democrat politicians refused to improve the levies and keep them in repair.
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Old 01-07-2016, 10:27 AM
 
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"Safe Space"

You been watching South Park ?


It was in an episode a few weeks ago

Second time I have seen that on these forums

Must be the new catch phrase
The catch phrase "safe space" is a way to poke at the way our schools have turned the new generation of college aged children into tender little snowflakes, who cannot handle the realities of life, and need a safe space to hide in, where they can watch videos of puppies at play and listen to soothing lullaby music.
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Old 01-07-2016, 10:45 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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Were di I imply anything of the kind?

Sandy was a freak once in a hundred years kind of perfect storm. But the global warming nutters will point to it as proof of climate change all the time.

Just as they point to Katrina is used as warmist propaganda, when most of its damage was caused due in part to the flooding because democrat politicians refused to improve the levies and keep them in repair.
Sandy was not a 100 year hurricane and Hurricane Irene hit the east coast in 2011, 2 hurricanes in 2 years. Joaquin was 2 MPH shy of a Cat 5 and just missed us last year if that hit maybe some more believers but we lucked out.

The Long Island Express was a Cat 3 back in 1938, I would say that's the 100 year storm since it was moving at 70MPH with a 20 ft storm surge. Also Camille.

The Great New England Hurricane of 1938
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Old 01-07-2016, 10:59 AM
 
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Sandy was a freak once in a hundred years kind of perfect storm.

you can't even get your basic facts straight
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Old 01-07-2016, 11:06 AM
 
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Sandy was aided by a separate weather fronts. One from the east, forcing Sandy to the west an onto the ashore, and another Arctic front coming down form Canada in the NW, pushing Sandy south and east, basically sandwiching Sandy and forcing it to just sit and spin. Without the other two storm fronts, Sandy would have run along the coast and fizzled out.
1. A 10 year period without a hurricane hitting the continental US is not some billion to 1 statistical longshot, as such it doesn't *prove* anything one way or another.

2) The US is some tiny % of the globe so it could be hot, cold, snowing or whatever and still not represent the global trend. Especially true when people reference a single big storm in a single state blah blah blah.

3) You are COMPLETELY RIGHT that this is the stupidity used by too many claiming global warming and that they are the worst offenders. Gore in particular has made such statements any time there is some abnormal weather event it's "climate change". It's ridiculous.
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Old 01-07-2016, 11:47 AM
 
Location: Maryland about 20 miles NW of DC
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Where Did All the Hurricanes Go?

Not since Hurricane Wilma ripped through southern Florida in October has a major hurricane made landfall in the U.S. That’s a 10-year lag that marks the longest such period on record since 1861 to 1868, they said.

In fact, Florida had not gone more than 5 years without a major hurricane at any point since record keeping started, the meteorology experts added.

But their close look at Atlantic storms during the last decade suggests that luck has played a significant role.” For example, systems such as Hurricane Earl in 2010 moved away from the coastline at the last minute. And Hurricane Ike in 2008 dropped just below major hurricane strength when it moved toward Texas.


I wonder if the headlines would claim it was just 'luck,' if our weather had been the exact opposite over the past decade?

It's the same way the AGW crowd explains away the almost two decade "pause" or "hiatus,"with no increasing rise to the average global surface temperatures. The doom and gloom climate bloggers and scientists claim the pause in global temps was just a natural climatic cycle of the earth. But let the opposite occur and it's heralded as more proof of man-made global warming from CO2.

Climate Change: Vital Signs of the Planet: 'Hiatus' in rise of Earth's surface air temperature likely temporary

"The Pacific Decadal Oscillation has a very distinctive pattern. During the positive phase, surface temperature rises more rapidly," he said. "During the negative phase, the rate of temperature increase slows down, hence a hiatus. It's very compelling when you see the actual observations."




Loeb showed measurements during his talk demonstrating steady increases in surface air temperature from 1920 to 1940 and again from 1976 to 2000, periods when the decadal oscillation was in a positive phase. From 1940 to 1975, and again beginning in 2001, temperatures leveled out in concert with negative oscillation phases.

So, apparently the warming during the later part of last century was a direct cause from human induced CO2, and not the natural cycles of El Nino that raised temps. However, it's a natural climatic cycles of the earth when an El Nina cools the temps during the past two decades. Or at least that is how the explanation of our climate has been distorted by the news media and politicians.











Where did all the Hurricanes go? Well they moved to the Pacific and Indian Oceans where they are called Typhoons or Cyclones, respectively. The Phillipines alone has been hit by half a dozen major Typhoons alone.

This is the hallmark of the abnormally warm water in the equatorial Pacific and the freakish weather in the US, Europe and in fact every where which saw temperatures in the nations Capital reach nearly 70 deg F on Christmas Day and Dallas Texas get tornados in te middle of winter and torrential rains in Missouri that sent the rivers to near record flood stages.

There is nothing like spending Christmas hauling buckets of mud out of ones home or fileing a claim at the dear ol'insurance agent for the replacement of a car or truck that spent a few days under water!
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Old 01-07-2016, 11:48 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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So the prediction of more unusual weather events holds true at least for 2015, we will see if this trend continues. Hurricane activity broke records in the pacific also in 2014 but another down year in the US.

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A record 22 hurricanes or typhoons have reached Category 4 or 5 strength in the Northern Hemisphere this year.
The record was broken on Oct. 17 when Koppu became the nineteenth storm to reach this intensity prior to slamming into the Philippines as a super typhoon. Since then, Super Typhoon Champi, Hurricane Olaf and Hurricane Patricia added to the total.
The old record for the Northern Hemisphere was 18 set in 2004, according to Dr. Phil Klotzbach of Colorado State University and blogger for wunderground.com. For perspective, an average of 12.5 Category 4 or 5 storms have been recorded during the 1990-2014 period, Klotzbach added.
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Old 01-07-2016, 12:06 PM
 
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Sandy was not a 100 year hurricane and Hurricane Irene hit the east coast in 2011, 2 hurricanes in 2 years. Joaquin was 2 MPH shy of a Cat 5 and just missed us last year if that hit maybe some more believers but we lucked out.

The Long Island Express was a Cat 3 back in 1938, I would say that's the 100 year storm since it was moving at 70MPH with a 20 ft storm surge. Also Camille.

The Great New England Hurricane of 1938
Did I say Sandy was a hurricane?

It came ashore as a tropical storm. It was once in a hundred years storm because of all the contributing factors that caused Sandy to slow down over land, still be feed energy, and all the damage it wreaked.


Hurricane Sandy Reduced to a Tropical Storm

“We could have continued to call it a hurricane for one or two days,” said James Franklin, the chief of hurricane forecasts for the center. But that would have been a lie, he said, and “would have utterly destroyed the credibility of the agency in the long run.

So by Saturday, Oct. 27, two days before the storm made landfall, the center downgraded its forecast to a post-tropical cyclone. The agency decided that it was best to leave the warnings to local officials, while working with them to keep public attention focused on the approaching storm.
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Old 01-07-2016, 12:08 PM
 
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So the prediction of more unusual weather events holds true at least for 2015, we will see if this trend continues. Hurricane activity broke records in the pacific also in 2014 but another down year in the US.
When do we ever have years with usual weather? That's the thing with weather, it's never content with being usual.
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Old 01-07-2016, 12:08 PM
 
Location: North America
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Where Did All the Hurricanes Go?

Not since Hurricane Wilma ripped through southern Florida in October has a major hurricane made landfall in the U.S. That’s a 10-year lag that marks the longest such period on record since 1861 to 1868, they said.

In fact, Florida had not gone more than 5 years without a major hurricane at any point since record keeping started, the meteorology experts added.

But their close look at Atlantic storms during the last decade suggests that luck has played a significant role.” For example, systems such as Hurricane Earl in 2010 moved away from the coastline at the last minute. And Hurricane Ike in 2008 dropped just below major hurricane strength when it moved toward Texas.



I wonder if the headlines would claim it was just 'luck,' if our weather had been the exact opposite over the past decade?

It's the same way the AGW crowd explains away the almost two decade "pause" or "hiatus,"with no increasing rise to the average global surface temperatures. The doom and gloom climate bloggers and scientists claim the pause in global temps was just a natural climatic cycle of the earth. But let the opposite occur and it's heralded as more proof of man-made global warming from CO2.

Climate Change: Vital Signs of the Planet: 'Hiatus' in rise of Earth's surface air temperature likely temporary

"The Pacific Decadal Oscillation has a very distinctive pattern. During the positive phase, surface temperature rises more rapidly," he said. "During the negative phase, the rate of temperature increase slows down, hence a hiatus. It's very compelling when you see the actual observations."

Loeb showed measurements during his talk demonstrating steady increases in surface air temperature from 1920 to 1940 and again from 1976 to 2000, periods when the decadal oscillation was in a positive phase. From 1940 to 1975, and again beginning in 2001, temperatures leveled out in concert with negative oscillation phases.

So, apparently the warming during the later part of last century was a direct cause from human induced CO2, and not the natural cycles of El Nino that raised temps. However, it's a natural climatic cycles of the earth when an El Nina cools the temps during the past two decades. Or at least that is how the explanation of our climate has been distorted by the news media and politicians.

You're completely overlooking the Pacific Ocean.
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