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Old 01-16-2016, 07:58 AM
 
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Originally Posted by Nor Cal Wahine View Post
We're not friends. Especially if you identify with my post in question as a low-information voter to the extent that you felt belittled by it. Changing the conversation from healthcare to defense spending is not open discussion. It's obfuscation via cognitive dissonance (vis a vis you have no rebuttal and admit as much, therefore the subject should be changed to one in which you do).
LOL. I don't identify with it but cheers. Have a nice life
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Old 01-16-2016, 07:59 AM
 
Location: Whoville....
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I'll vote because Hillary is just Obama 2.0

At least Trump (or Cruz) has the experience to get our Govt in Check. Trump might just be the man to stop all our reckless spending and get business / jobs back to a higher level. I do believe he can get us in a better position with our trading partners especially China.

Democrats just mean more freebies to the ones who refuse to work and unchecked immigration. They have gone way to far to the left.

I agree on democrats being more of the same WRT the languishing economy but Trump is more of the same WRT embarrassing our country to the rest of the world. What's the lesser of the evils? More liberal give aways or more arrogance in the white house? Right now I feel that each front runner embodies some of the worst traits of Obama. Arrogance and giving away the farm. Clinton will continue us down the same path that is NOT resulting in the economic recovery while Trump will continue to embarrass us in front of the rest of the world. He's an arrogant "Look at me" person as is Obama.


IMO there's not much to choose from here. I hate when the presidential election turns into voting for the lesser of the evils. It's often hard to figure out which IS the lesser of the evils. I feel that Clinton would be better for foreign policy but I agree that Trump could be what our languishing economy needs but I think Trump is an embarrassment. He's no more what I want representing our country to the world than Obama is.


I'm really hoping something changes.
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Old 01-16-2016, 08:05 AM
 
Location: Austin TX
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And don't forget the corporate leeches that are being funded by government subsidies. Too many times we focus on the bottom leeches and not on the top leeches
And there, you've done it again.

Person A makes point.

Person B (that's you) ignores point and changes topic.

Cognitive dissonance. The mental conflict that occurs when one is confronted with information that contradicts their closely-held beliefs. In this case, you are throwing out the "yea, but ... " response to topics you don't want to see discussed. From healthcare into defense spending, and from the welfare population into corporate greed, ya just did it twice in a row. I know you'll be quick to argue that that's not what you're doing, but it's right here on screen.
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Old 01-16-2016, 08:08 AM
 
Location: Southeast, where else?
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This is the second time someone has said I need to get back to work. I do and always have had a job. I work, pay my own rent, etc. And no, I did not have health insurance before. What I had was a nightmare. Fibromyalgia does not qualify for the emergency room. I went to the community clinic and they sent me to full cost specialists. Since I could not afford them, I just suffered instead.
Well, if you worked, why did you not buy a private policy? Work two jobs? I have. For decades. You make choices. If your fibromyalgia istha bad, how do you hold down a job? Hmmmmm?

If its that bad, file fordisability, the new retirement plan. Your typing seems intact. You seem lucid and "able"?

Explain.
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Old 01-16-2016, 08:19 AM
 
Location: US
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Off topic: Just FYI - I have seen fibromyalgia resolved in many when cells are fed proper nutrition. Not saying that is the cause--just saying I have seen many miracles for a variety of problems with proper nutrition. Google "curing fibromyalgia with diet" to start. It's not going to be easy and may not resolve it. Not saying the fibromyalgia or any disease is caused solely by poor diet.
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Old 01-16-2016, 08:31 AM
 
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I remember hearing the same thing. I have personally benefited greatly from Obama being in office. For the first time in my life, I have health insurance, and at no cost at all. Overall, I would say most people are better off since Obama was elected.
Unless you are elderly or massively disables you saying you are dead broke and are a public charity case because that is the only way to pay nothing.
Also probably means you are on welfare insurance because that is the only one not requiring $6500 a year deductible out of pocket.

Well one big thing you should know. The welfare insurance for the poor was always available to you, Obsmacare did not bring that. It brought subsidized bad insurance with high deductibles to all and if you make over 50k a year you support the country's losers paying at least $5000 a year like me for the lowest level of insurance. I don't have my insurance pay any major care until I spend $11,500 between my premium and deductible
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Old 01-16-2016, 10:03 AM
 
Location: Early America
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I remember hearing the same thing. I have personally benefited greatly from Obama being in office. For the first time in my life, I have health insurance, and at no cost at all. Overall, I would say most people are better off since Obama was elected.
Making people more dependent on the government is not good for the long-term health of society or the nation.

I hope you at least intend to use this opportunity to improve your circumstances so that you won't be a lifelong burden to society.
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Old 01-16-2016, 10:12 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Here's a very simplistic, but certainly not unrealistic, method to evaluate a president's term:

Compare the state of the country at the end of his term to how it was at the beginning of his term.

By that metric, Obama has been a success, despite all the hate radio inspired right wing bellyaching.

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Old 01-16-2016, 10:18 AM
 
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I find it odd that people seemed to think there was such a thing as free war.
It's understandable given the true cost of the Iraq War was largely kept off the books by the previous administration.
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Old 01-16-2016, 10:19 AM
 
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And don't forget the corporate leeches that are being funded by government subsidies. Too many times we focus on the bottom leeches and not on the top leeches
And the top leeches take vastly more than those on the bottom.
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