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Old 02-08-2016, 10:33 PM
 
Location: North Pacific
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Originally Posted by Dane_in_LA View Post
Then perhaps pick the citation you want? Popehat are law geeks - they know their stuff. That other blog has a pretty clear agenda. Am I to take it you're no longer relying on Popehat as an authority?
I cited both links in my op. Could be you missed it right? It's a long read ... I get it.

PS: Short, quick, routine, much better that getting the full story for additional contemplation, and the question, is what I am reading the truth?

 
Old 02-08-2016, 10:35 PM
 
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Because the ranchers entered into a contract to pay the federal government to allow them to graze their livestock on federal land. If they had entered into a similar contract with a private landholder they would be paying anywhere between 50-90% more than they pay BLM in grazing fees.
Then why in the world is there a problem?
 
Old 02-08-2016, 10:36 PM
 
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Well this people knows that and most Americans know that taxes are necessary for to pay the services the government provides. Now granted there are great differences of opinion regarding those services the government provides usually based upon what services they get as opposed to the serves given to others. For example the Finicums like taxes that pay them to be foster parents. The Bundy's like taxes that support ranch subsidies and small business loans and frankly I support my tax dollars that go to support them, but I also like my tax dollars going to the preservation of wild places but then I'm a collectivist - or at least so I have been told.
You've also been told that it is still your money, even though you are no longer in possession of it.
 
Old 02-08-2016, 10:38 PM
 
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The Hammonds disavowed the Bundys.
Not that I'm a fan of either, just saying.
Tell me something I don't already know.
 
Old 02-08-2016, 10:40 PM
 
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Then why in the world is there a problem?
For 95% of ranchers grazing on BLM land there is no problem, they pay their fees and graze their livestock, but there are a few 'welfare cowboys' out there like Cliven Bundy who quit paying grazing fees and ran up a million dollar debt, then he decided to politicize it and try to make himself look like the victim.
 
Old 02-08-2016, 10:43 PM
 
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For 950% of ranchers grazing on BLM land there is no problem, they pay their fees and graze their livestock, but there are a few 'welfare cowboys' out there like Cliven Bundy who quit paying grazing fees and ran up a million dollar debt, then he decided to politicize it and try to make himself look like the victim.
Could be he is. There are those that understand the 1913 turn around with the FED privately owned banking system that is sucking up our tax dollars and there are those, that just don't get it. There's always the few ...
 
Old 02-08-2016, 10:46 PM
 
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Could be he is. There are those that understand the 1913 turn around with the FED privately owned banking system that is sucking up our tax dollars and there are those, that just don't get it. There's always the few ...
I have no idea why you are now shifting this topic to the Fed, but I'm not interested in going that far off topic. Have a good evening
 
Old 02-08-2016, 10:49 PM
 
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You've also been told that it is still your money, even though you are no longer in possession of it.
Told by who? When I write my check and by doing so transfer ownership to the IRS it ceases to be my money.
 
Old 02-08-2016, 10:49 PM
 
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I have no idea why you are now shifting this topic to the Fed, but I'm not interested in going that far off topic. Have a good evening
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Have a good night ...
 
Old 02-08-2016, 10:54 PM
 
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Told by who? When I write my check and by doing so transfer ownership to the IRS it ceases to be my money.
I'm sorry, my bad. It's the federal budget that belongs to the American people. That is the sell job of the day ..
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