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Old 02-07-2008, 07:00 AM
 
Location: Tampa
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We know y'all are very fervent in your desire to prevent all abortions.

But, are you willing to put your money where your mouth is?

Would you be willing to pay, for 18 (or more) years the full cost of a child if a mother decided to not abort?

Would you be willing to adopt children, no matter how many there are?
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Old 02-07-2008, 08:10 AM
 
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We know y'all are very fervent in your desire to prevent all abortions.

But, are you willing to put your money where your mouth is?

Would you be willing to pay, for 18 (or more) years the full cost of a child if a mother decided to not abort?

Would you be willing to adopt children, no matter how many there are?
I believe many of the responses would be similar to this.

I don't want to turn my home into a jail for convicted criminals, but I still want those who break the law to be prosecuted. In other words, the results of the prosecution of those activities that one deems unlawful is not necessarily the responsibility of those who advocate the laws.
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Old 02-07-2008, 08:15 AM
 
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We know y'all are very fervent in your desire to prevent all abortions.

But, are you willing to put your money where your mouth is?

Would you be willing to pay, for 18 (or more) years the full cost of a child if a mother decided to not abort?

Would you be willing to adopt children, no matter how many there are?
People assume that pro-lifers are pervent and fanatical about their decisions.

Abortion rights are a state issue, not a federal one. RvW is a court decision, and all countries except for us have ruled through the legislative body a woman's right to choose. It's a travesty that a court system is the responsible body for creating a law. Whether or not it's allowed by states, allowed federally, or disallowed federally is up to Congressional lawmakers, not the Supreme Court.

Ideally, I'd like to see states rights and nearly all allowing it, or non-profit charitable funds for those who need to be transported to a state allowing it. You take the carrot off the stick for the pseudo-christian snake charming evangelicals.
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Old 02-07-2008, 08:52 AM
 
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Abortion rights are a state issue, not a federal one.
Neither the state nor the federal legislature may enact laws that abridge a person's constitutional rights. You may as well claim that the right of free speech or of a free press should be left up to the states to decide...
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Old 02-07-2008, 08:55 AM
 
Location: DFW, TX
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We know y'all are very fervent in your desire to prevent all abortions.

But, are you willing to put your money where your mouth is?

Would you be willing to pay, for 18 (or more) years the full cost of a child if a mother decided to not abort?

Would you be willing to adopt children, no matter how many there are?
If you subsidize something, you get more of it. If there was an offer to pay a bounty of sorts, everyone would claim they didn't want their child and be even more careless about getting pregnant seeing how the financial responsibility would be lifted.

Adoption is the alternative. There are plenty of families who want to adopt babies.
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Old 02-07-2008, 08:56 AM
 
Location: DFW, TX
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Neither the state nor the federal legislature may enact laws that abridge a person's constitutional rights. You may as well claim that the right of free speech or of a free press should be left up to the states to decide...
Well now that most of the Bill of Rights has been incorporated under the 14th Amendment, but it hasn't always been that way. I haven't read a state constitution that hasn't guaranteed the right of freedom of speech though.

But the right to kill an unborn child isn't an enumerated right, so it would fall to the states.
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Old 02-07-2008, 08:57 AM
 
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Adoption is the alternative. There are plenty of families who want to adopt babies.
There are plenty of children waiting for adoption. What's the holdup...
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Old 02-07-2008, 08:59 AM
 
Location: DFW, TX
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There are plenty of children waiting for adoption. What's the holdup...
Really? Have you tried? My sister has been waiting for 18 months for any baby... race isn't an issue. I've got a friend whose wife can't get pregnant due to her migrane medication she has to take, they've been waiting 11 months now. Neither one has had any luck yet.
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Old 02-07-2008, 09:03 AM
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Location: Texas
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Default Long wait to adopt....

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I believe many of the responses would be similar to this.

I don't want to turn my home into a jail for convicted criminals, but I still want those who break the law to be prosecuted. In other words, the results of the prosecution of those activities that one deems unlawful is not necessarily the responsibility of those who advocate the laws.
I think Amaznjohn totally nailed it here. However, I would add the following- I do realize that there are many, many older children who are in foster care who are difficult to place, and I also know that not all births result in a healthy infant. However, the majority do, and the reality is that there are many more couples desiring to adopt babies than there are babies to adopt.

My husband and I adopted a newborn in 1984. I don't know what the statistics are now, but at that time for every healthy newborn available for adoption, there were 700,000 couples desiring to adopt one. My husband and I considered ourselves incredibly blessed to be able to adopt a baby.
Again, I don't know the statistics now, but I suspect the waiting lists to adopt are still long hence so many people checking into foreign adoption.
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Old 02-07-2008, 09:03 AM
 
Location: Fort Worth, Texas
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I'm curious for people who don't believe in abortion no matter what.

What if your wife or you were pregnant. Science has PROVEN that being Gay is genetic and they have come up with a test to be done prior to birth.

If you found out your son or daughter was going to be born Gay, what would you do?

Keeping in mind that science has proven its genetic, like having blue eyes or being tall or short. No amount of counseling would change it.
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