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it has nothing to do with not wanting you or anyone else on the job...what it has to do with, is qualifications. When you make a people, hire people that beat out qualified workers b/c they are minorities, white woman included, you automatically cause the company problems due to them not being qualified.
plus, if you are brown skinned or a woman, and you walk into a business with confidence and know how, you WILL be hired. Yes, there are some still alive that are racist...that will never stop until all of society is educated as such and it has to start within the children.
Also, it is time, that brown skinned people apply themselves...I work with brown skinned people who out and out tell me, that people who sit back and collect welfare, make is so much harder on their reputations...
Believe me it did not take black people being on welfare to gain negative reputations, that was something that has happened over 100 years before I was born. From the sound of it, my behind would not want to associate with blacks who think we are viewed in a negative light due to some blacks being on welfare, those negros have some serious self-hate issues. That is like me saying most whites should feel bad for the mistreatment of my people, even if they had nothing to do with it.
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I've also seen where black people with ethnic names have a harder time even getting in to interview. Here's an idea...stop naming your kids Shaniqua, and Taniqua, and you won't have an issue. When I see those type of names, I have a feeling that they will be someone who values their blackness more than doing a good job.
I have a better idea..how bout not judging a candidate by their name and race? You expect them to come into the job have a black power agenda and obsess about race while they are supposed to be working cause of their name? Are we as blacks not supposed to value who we are to make others feel more comfortable??
As far as the issue in the article at hand, I am sure you will see less and less Americans of all colours trying to get into the tech field. It is a very saturated field with too many people trying to break in, and nowhere near enough jobs for them. Add to that not many real entry level jobs and all the outsourcing going on. You can keep that field as far as I am concerned!!
I need some help from the liberals. How is this not racism and sexism?
"Intel set a goal last year: Of all new hires, 40 percent have to be women or under-represented minorities (black, Latino, Native American). The company had never hit that level in the past. So for Intel, it was an ambitious goal. And the company reports today: It managed to exceed it, hitting 43.1 percent."
Also why is there no diversity initiative in mining, drilling, farming and construction industry where the vast majority of the workers are men??? How about athletes? NBA? NFL where most players are of a protected race. Why no diversity is acceptable?
Aren't poor people a minority and underrepresented?
All I have been saying is that there is nothing wrong with hiring well-qualified women and underrepresented minorities in technical positions. Apparently, this is a liberal position, and a cause for disagreement.
Look, it is very easy to discuss this in the abstract, and I have found over the years people in industries/occupations that are not affected by diversity hiring/promotions are much more tolerant of them.
Yet I have a liberal friend who was freaking out that their kid was not getting into certain colleges because they had a diversity goal program that allowed kids with lesser grades and SAT/ACT score to get in.
Needless to say, then it sunk in because it hit home.
Affirmative action and other similar programs admit less qualified kids, hire less qualified people, promote less qualified and less senior personnel etc.
Yet if it never effects you or your family, many people just shrug their shoulders assuming it will never have an impact on their lives. However, if the paramedic coming to your house to save your Mom during a heart attack is a AA hire, and has trouble reading the rhythm or administers the wrong dosage of medication, your Mom might be a victim.
Or a friend/relative needs to be carried down multiple stories in a building fire, and some physically inferior woman is the one who needs to save them.
Or the cop who cannot subdue a suspect, so they use lethal force when not appropriate, then everyone in the city pays more money to cover the civil suit judgment and/or ensuing insurance rate hikes.
Heck look at the woman who was hired by the FD despite failing her physical, and within a couple of weeks is out on disability because she fell off the truck in the station.
The list can go on and on, but you get the picture.
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Affirmitave action and quotas are discriminatory and actually damaging for minorities. It says " you can't compete on a level playing field based on skills and competency so we are going to give you an edge". Any minorities that are hired are then viewed as less capable than non minorities.
I've also seen where black people with ethnic names have a harder time even getting in to interview. Here's an idea...stop naming your kids Shaniqua, and Taniqua, and you won't have an issue. When I see those type of names, I have a feeling that they will be someone who values their blackness more than doing a good job. I feel like they will probably be the first to file EEOC suits based on discrimination if they are fired for work related misbehavior/incompetence. I know that may not be PC to admit, but that has been my experience.
Two interesting point to your post.
First I have a black friend who hates affirmative action because even though he made a successful career as a FDA, it is assumed he got where he is because of AA.
Second regarding "blackness" via certain names, I have spoken to several white people with businesses who assume the exact same thing regarding them having been raised with a racial chip on their shoulder. So the first time they are instructed about poor performance or need to be fired, it will be assumed it is racial rather than the real reason. Who would want to bring that upon themselves in the first place.
Granted the name Shaniqua or Trayvon will not automatically mean the person is afrocentric, but it doesn't help.
It's often intangible, or basically people who feel most comfortable around their coworkers in a professional environment. If the organization is overwhelmingly white and Asian males, then the new hires that will interact most seamlessly will tend to be - get this - white and Asian males.
Giving qualified people who have different experiences a chance is not racism or sexism.
Your perspective is extremely racist
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