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Old 02-07-2016, 03:26 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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Unless there is a clear and beneficial benefit for public projects, I'm opposed. I don't support it for any private project of any kind.

It's theft.
So you're a rational thief (aka mainstream con, "small" anti-fed gov person).

Check.
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Old 02-07-2016, 03:28 PM
 
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I'm for it when used as originally intended. Problem is too many politicians and judges are in the pockets of private companies and abuse their power to take land at a discount to hand over to private developers. This isn't a Republican nor Democratic Party issue. This is a culture of corruption issue from local to federal government officials right up to the US Supreme Court.
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Old 02-07-2016, 03:31 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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I don't support theft of any kind
Don't bring consistent morality (which btw is the only kind of morality anyway) into this forum.

You'll only confuse everyone.
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Old 02-07-2016, 03:31 PM
 
Location: Palo Alto
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So you're a rational thief (aka mainstream con, "small" anti-fed gov person).

Check.

Public infrastructure projects like a water system comes to mind. Anything that proposes to "redevelop" an area is theft. Let the market deal with it.
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Old 02-07-2016, 03:43 PM
 
Location: Midwest
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I favor it for projects that are for public use. Roads, schools, hospitals, bridges, etc, energy infrastructure (Keystone). I think it should be illegal to use eminent domain power for projects that are strictly commercial and privately owned with no benefit to the public at large (i.e. casinos). Many states have already made such use of eminent domain illegal.
Isn't the Keystone pipeline a commercial and privately owned with no benefit to the public at large?
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Old 02-07-2016, 04:04 PM
 
Location: Madison, WI
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Don't bring consistent morality (which btw is the only kind of morality anyway) into this forum.

You'll only confuse everyone.
But...apparently it isn't theft if you decide it benefits a bunch of people.

Collectivism - the idea that the rights of certain people can be sacrificed for the common good.
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Old 02-07-2016, 04:39 PM
 
Location: Just transplanted to FL from the N GA mountains
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Isn't the Keystone pipeline a commercial and privately owned with no benefit to the public at large?
What most people fail to realize about Keystone is two-fold. #1. Keystone is already in the ground, already running. Keystone XL (the project that Obama turned down and what has become media fodder) was an expansion of an already existing line. It would have been another line, running almost parallel with the line that is currently operational using a big part of the existing right-of-way. #2. Every pipeline in existence today is commercial and privately owned. The government does not own any of these. And.. for the most part (especially with large main-lines) the product flowing inside doesn't belong to the pipeline company. Take for instance TransCanada and Keystone. The commodity (oil or gas) belongs to the oil/gas company. Trans-Canada is the downstream transportation company. They build and operate the line, and the oil/gas companies pay to use that line. Now some oil/gas companies do own and operate their own lines, but usually they are smaller lines used for distribution, gathering systems, or regional. The pipeline itself (and in the case of Keystone XL) is used just like a railroad. So to say there is no benefit would be on the same line as saying the railroads have no benefit to the public at large.........
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Old 02-07-2016, 04:58 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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But...apparently it isn't theft if you decide it benefits a bunch of people.

Collectivism - the idea that the rights of certain people can be sacrificed for the common good.
Breaking it down even more...it isn't theft if it appears to benefit a bunch of people.

Reality is it's theft 100% of the time because theft is theft and most of the time nobody agrees with the outcome.
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Old 02-08-2016, 07:55 AM
 
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When a city takes private property to build something like a walmart, it's wrong period.
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Old 02-08-2016, 07:57 AM
 
Location: Virginia
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I don't support theft of any kind
It's not theft if you're paid for it (and usually paid more than it's worth).
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