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"The unborn are a convenient group of people to advocate for."
Really great quote from a United Methodist pastor:
""The unborn" are a convenient group of people to advocate for.
They never make demands of you; they are morally uncomplicated, unlike the incarcerated, addicted, or the chronically poor; they don't resent your condescension or complain that you are not politically correct; unlike widows, they don't ask you to question patriarchy; unlike orphans, they don't need money, education, or childcare; unlike aliens, they don't bring all that racial, cultural, and religious baggage that you dislike; they allow you to feel good about yourself without any work at creating or maintaining relationships; and when they are born, you can forget about them, because they cease to be unborn.
It's almost as if, by being born, they have died to you. You can love the unborn and advocate for them without substantially challenging your own wealth, power, or privilege, without re-imagining social structures, apologizing, or making reparations to anyone. They are, in short, the perfect people to love if you want to claim you love Jesus but actually dislike people who breathe.
Prisoners? Immigrants? The sick? The poor? Widows? Orphans? All the groups that are specifically mentioned in the Bible? They all get thrown under the bus for the unborn."
Both are in stages of the human life cycle. Science. Yes, I know science is anathema to left-wingers.
Unless you believe there is something that's unique about being human, regardless of what traits the human has, that's relevant to this discussion, it doesn't especially matter that both are stages of a human life cycle.
That said, I have no idea why anyone would value the life of an embryo of a human more than the life of an embryo of a sheep, if both are equally mentally complex and experience the world in the same way...which they often will.
If you believe there is something unique about human beings, regardless of what other traits they have besides being human...I'm pretty sure I could come up with a good argument for why you are incorrect. I'd just have to know your specific reasons for viewing humans as special before knowing what specific argument to make. I'm pretty confident I've heard, and thought about all possible arguments for why humans are special before.
Now, if you do not believe that there is something inherently special about just being human...then you have the issue of how casually we treat the lives of nonhuman organisms on a daily basis, and the question of why pro-lifers (and most pro-choicers too, probably) want to treat human lives so differently, to deal with, regardless of their traits.
what you, your wife or I would do is our choice, there are others who would make a different choice. the difference between us is I respect their right to make it without my moral view on their personal life.
I respect your honesty because you are one of the very few abortion supporters willing to acknowledge a fetus is a child and abortion kills the child.
It's refreshing in a sick and twisted sort of way.
Additionally being "Pro-choice" doesn't necessarily mean pro abortion.
And similarly the pro-lifers can't seem to wrap THEIR head around THAT.
Exactly the way I feel about it. Pro choice is about keeping the government out of personal medical decisions.
Even the most adamant pro lifers could have a circumstance so heinous which would make them choose an abortion. If they decided it, no government official should be able to interfere.
Both are in stages of the human life cycle. Science. Yes, I know science is anathema to left-wingers.
Fetus also means baby in the womb latin.
Life cycle ... Just like ... infant, toddler, adolescent, adult, elderly ... Maybe infants or elderly will be declared as 'clumps' of cells and not human next.
It would be nice if people could stick to defined words rather than making up their own self serving words, phrases and definitions.
Exactly the way I feel about it. Pro choice is about keeping the government out of personal medical decisions.
Even the most adamant pro lifers could have a circumstance so heinous which would make them choose an abortion. If they decided it, no government official should be able to interfere.
Killing a baby is not a medical decision. It is a decision of convenience.
Unless you believe there is something that's unique about being human, regardless of what traits the human has, that's relevant to this discussion, it doesn't especially matter that both are stages of a human life cycle.
It does matter because abortion advocates insist that a human embryo, fetus, etc., isn't a human life. They have to eschew science to rationalize advocating killing it.
It does matter because abortion advocates insist that a human embryo, fetus, etc., isn't a human life. They have to eschew science to rationalize advocating killing it.
Yet they never explain WHAT they believe the baby is.
It's just 'not a baby.'
And then they walk away from the argument.
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