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Old 08-31-2018, 09:24 AM
 
Location: My House
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Rated A+ by Nate Silver's 538. Poll was conducted by an independent research firm, not by WaPo or ABC news themselves.
Oh, Elliott. Quit with all your logic and facts.

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Old 08-31-2018, 09:25 AM
 
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Just remember, the polls said he didn't have a prayer in hell of becoming president.

Wasn't the dem running in Fl, I believe, up 7 over the rival and LOST.


Even after the fiasco of the polls for the last presidential election, I can't believe so many SILL give polls ANY credibility!
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Old 08-31-2018, 09:25 AM
 
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Rated A+ by Nate Silver's 538. Poll was conducted by an independent research firm, not by WaPo or ABC news themselves.
The same Nate Silver that gave Trump a 3% chance of winning the election?
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Old 08-31-2018, 09:31 AM
 
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The polls are useless until Trump has an opponent to be compared to (and even then polls are off the mark, as we saw in 2016 when Hillary was supposed to win the swing states).
I mean Obama's Gallup poll dipped to exactly 40% in 2011, 2013 and 2014, and he still won in 2012 because Romney made him look good.
And if we are to believe polls, Trump's African-American support has increased heavily since 2016, and that is an unexpected luxury heading into 2020.
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Old 08-31-2018, 09:31 AM
 
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Trump has openly and publicly committed obstruction of justice:

-- Fired Comey, Yates, McCabe and Strzok
-- Told Russian diplomats he fired Comey to relieve the pressure of the investigation
-- Admitted to Lester Holt he was going to fire Comey no matter what
-- Threatened Sessions and Rosenstein multiple times
-- Publicly intimidating FBI over how the investigation is being conducted
-- Publicly undermining the FBI and intelligence agencies
-- Asked Sessions to un-recuse himself
-- Dictated a false narrative to Don Jr. about the Trump Tower meeting

Open and shut case for obstruction. He's guilty as sin.

Trump is fully impeachable right here, right now, if Congress was willing to do it.
"Open and shut case for obstruction."

And your legal credentials are?

You might want to look up" serves at the PLEASURE of the president"!

Even very far left Harvard law professor dem Alan Dersowitz disagrees with you.
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Old 08-31-2018, 09:36 AM
 
Location: alexandria, VA
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"Open and shut case for obstruction."


And your legal credentials are?


Even very far left Harvard law professor dem Alan Dersowitz disagrees with you.
You mean Trump toady Alan Dershowitz who tried to smear Robert Mueller with the Whitey Bulger case only to have it blow up in his face when it was shot down by federal judge Nancy Gertner in a piece that appeared in the New York Times? Dershowitz has less credibility than Trump.
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Old 08-31-2018, 09:39 AM
 
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This poll is eye opening.

1. 60% Trump Job Disapproval; 36% Approve (-24%).
2. 53% Disapprove Strongly; first time that has reached over half.
3. 49% favor impeachment: 46% oppose.
4. Stronger public support for impeachment than ever against Bill Clinton.
5. Support for Trump by groups:

White women college grads: 23% (down from high of 40% or -17%)
White men non-college: 55% (-15)
Moderates: 24% (-13%)
College grads: 29% (-13%)
Blacks: 3% (-12%)
White men college grads: 44% (-10%)
Whites: 45% (-10%)
Men: 42- (-7%)
It does becomes increasingly challenging for those that are waaay out on the limb with Donald Trump, that's for sure. Hardcore Trump supporters really have to get good at compartmentalizing the part of their mind that "feels good" about having him as a President, versus the rational part of their brain that is screaming "warning, warning, warning".

I've noticed that while are there are still some Trump apologists here on C-D that will follow him on over the cliff no matter what he does, a fair number of them have simply gone quiet. It just illustrates that finally there is a point where no amount of pretzel logic can defend Trump's bizarre and dangerous floundering.

As the unpopularity pendulum swings in that direction, look for crazier and crazier behavior from Trump. He has had a taste of what is is like to be King, and he will not give that up without a fight. And if he can't win that fight? He will burn the house to the ground. This is the man's nature.
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Old 08-31-2018, 09:41 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Gilead
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Can't wait to see how Trump spins this. He'll probably say that he has a 60% approval rate and all of his followers will believe him.
It’s not Rasmussen, the only true poll according to Trump supporters.
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Old 08-31-2018, 09:41 AM
 
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Partisan divisions are 37-percent, Democrats ,33-perecent Republicans

So when you poll 4% MORE dems the repubs, would you expect any other "results"?


Well it IS ABC and the Wash. Post!
You apparently don’t know squat about poll sampling.

There are more Democrats and Independents nationally among registered voters than Republicans. Any legitimate sampling of registered voters will be weighed to reflect that fact. When you get down to likely voters that could change.
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Old 08-31-2018, 09:45 AM
 
Location: The analog world
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A year ago, I would have responded to the poll question about impeachment in the affirmative, but I've changed my tune. I want Trump to serve out his term so that he suffers an absolutely humiliating loss. I want him to leave Washington with his tail between his legs and to take Pence with him.
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