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But it is voluntary, through democracy. Are you against public schools and think every road should be a toll road? Because that is a form of government welfare too, having free schools and roads. So is the national defense budget. Why is it okay to "steal" money from taxpayers for nuclear missiles but not for preventing kids from starving?
If you don't believe in taxes at all you might as well not believe in America. Of course if more people truly embraced Jesus Christ we wouldn't need taxes and wouldn't need to work nearly as hard as we do.
It's "voluntary through democracy?" What does that mean?
I think you are really getting off the track here. None of that has anything to do with Christianity.
Remember that all that "free stuff" is not free.
I think you need tor read the Constitution, particularly the preamble, in order to understand the purpose of government. One of the primary purposes is to "provide for the common defense." Now, in order to do that, the government must pay for a military, and weapons. Before the income tax, the government got it's money through tariffs.
Also, note that the phrase, "promote the general Welfare," did not refer to giving hand-outs to the poor.
So taxes are American? If we don't believe in taxes we might as well not believe in America? Really? Who knew? And please explain this: "[i]f more people truly embraced Jesus Christ we wouldn't need taxes and wouldn't need to work nearly as hard as we do." That statement baffles me. Is that the "Jesus was a socialist" belief being articulated?
LOL, yet another distortion. Jesus didn't get violent with the moneychangers "because" they were moneychangers, as you are attempting to imply, he got violent with them because they were defiling the temple.
Um, and how were they defiling the temple? Just by their presence; he said they turned it into a "robbers den" as Harrywho pointed out. There is no distortion nor anything incorrect in my post. I was raised in the Catholic church btw.
You support theft/taxation when it goes to these huge Banks, but not to American people. Got it.
The theft you support is costing us MUCH more however:
The religion itself became corrupted by Rome very early on. The Catholic Church is essentially a corporation. Paul who said "He who doesn't work should not eat" (which could just as easily apply to rich investors and trust fund kids)
Investors don't work?
I seriously think you need to expand your Bible knowledge, which seems to be lacking. We are taught to be wise in the way we handle our finances. That would include putting your money to work (investing) and creating wealth. The Bible does not condemn wealth. In fact, it is considered a blessing from God.
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probably didn't help either with making Christianity more militant.
Jesus is about as left wing as you can get.
LOL!!! You do not know Jesus then. That is a most ignorant statement!
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Was he hanging out with the rich and famous that GOP voters idolize? No, he was hanging out with the homeless, poor, autistics, prostitutes, and tax collectors while he wasn't building people cabinets and letting them wash their feet. He even said "render unto Caesar what is Caesar's" so he had no problem with government taxation per se or at the very least did not advise his followers to confront the government.
Jesus wasn't "hanging out" with any particular class. In fact, did you know that Luke was well educated, and a physician by profession? Even Jesus, being a carpenter and a carpenter's son, was not of poor stature, as carpenters in those days were generally higher in class and wealthier.
Then again many don't find any logic in such beliefs and your total dedication tends to marginalize those who don't share your faith. There should be no "faith" in politics or public policy. It's a temporal and collective thing . Faith should be more personal.
Your opinion only. Our founders and framers of the Constitution didn't share that opinion.
Your opinion only. Our founders and framers of the Constitution didn't share that opinion.
Really? Where is religion mentioned in the Constitution?
It isn't, except to say that it shouldn't matter whether public officials have a religion or not:
"no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States." (Article 6, section 3) Our Founding Fathers Were NOT Christians
I don't know for certain, but my theory is that organized religion in the United States is more often used as a tool to excercize power and control over the populace. One's faith is more often considered a private matter across many other Western democracies.
Your theory would be wrong, but it is true that Christianity is dead in many Western cultures, and this as predicted in the Bible. So, we are seeing the prophesy of scripture unfold before our eyes.
There are still many churches in the U.S. that preach the Gospel and are faithful to the Word. But many have fallen away from the truth of scripture (also predicted in the Bible).
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The whole "was Jesus liberal or conservative?" discussion just doesn't happen elsewhere, nor is the evolution vs. creationism debate rehashed over and over. The fact that these discussions are still so present in mainstream America proves my point.
It all comes down to politics, influence and money, like everything in America. It's all superficial.
Forcibly taking someone else's money and giving it away isn't charity. Liberals never seem to understand the distinction.
Charity:
1.) the voluntary giving of help, typically in the form of money, to those in need.
Federal taxes don't fund spending.
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