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Old 04-13-2016, 03:23 PM
 
Location: Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
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Thanks for providing sources for your allegations.

The problem is, none of these examples demonstrate minorities being forced out of their homes by eminent domain.
Yeah, but they ARE being forced out. Eminent domain is under the guise of "so the government can take it over". But this isn't happening. They're being forced to give up their land, being offered a price to sell, and then being forced out. It's a government abetted activity, because it either has to do with taxing people off of their property, or somehow giving incentives for landlords to raise their rents. At the end of the day, it's not the market setting these prices, it's the city government doing it.
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Old 04-13-2016, 03:23 PM
 
Location: Phoenix
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Why do so many Trump supporters think that liberals and progressives are all lazy people that want everything for free?

Seems like the most liberal cities are the ones with the highest incomes.
A seemingly valid argument. One thing though is if you take cost of living into it, those numbers change dramatically....the top 3 states in purchasing power parity (PPP) are Republican voting states. Also, the more liberal an area, the higher the income disparity. I live in a liberal state with reasonable cost of living, high incomes, and super high income inequality.
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Old 04-13-2016, 03:23 PM
 
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It's basically eminent domain, they just don't call it that. Do you honestly think poor minorities are giving up their homes willingly despite the rising property taxes? It is happening all day in my home town of Kansas City, Missouri. They are basically forcing black home owners to sell because they are jacking up rent artificially.






There are a lot of black home owners in poor neighborhoods around the country. And yes it IS eminent domain. Black people who live in government subsidized housing in any city is very low. Black people are being displaced no matter what neighborhoods they live in.
None of those people owned their homes. They were living in government owned housing paying a subsidized rent. As a libertarian how can you think that anyone has a right to something (like a house) that they do not own? I don't agree with that statement but it's at the heart of the libertarian ethos.
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Old 04-13-2016, 03:26 PM
 
Location: Secure Bunker
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Why do so many Trump supporters think that liberals and progressives are all lazy people that want everything for free?

Seems like the most liberal cities are the ones with the highest incomes.

This is because most pay is indexed to local pricing. Saying that the pay is highest in City X is usually another way of saying the cost of living in City X is through the roof.
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Old 04-13-2016, 03:28 PM
 
Location: Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
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None of those people owned their homes. They were living in government owned housing paying a subsidized rent. As a libertarian how can you think that anyone has a right to something (like a house) that they do not own? I don't agree with that statement but it's at the heart of the libertarian ethos.
Yes they do. Not every predominately black neighborhood has public housing. This is false. There are only about 3-4 housing projects in a given city, yet there are dozen of black neighorhoods in any given city. Who do you think owns homes in these cities. Oh yeah, black people do. If the whole basis of your argument is that only blacks in public housing is being displaced, you are wrong.
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Old 04-13-2016, 03:31 PM
 
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Yes they do. Not every predominately black neighborhood has public housing. This is false. There are only about 3-4 housing projects in a given city, yet there are dozen of black neighorhoods in any given city. Who do you think owns homes in these cities. Oh yeah, black people do. If the whole basis of your argument is that only blacks in public housing is being displaced, you are wrong.
The examples that you gave did not include black homeowners who were kicked out of their homes through eminent domain.
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Old 04-13-2016, 03:37 PM
 
Location: Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
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The examples that you gave did not include black homeowners who were kicked out of their homes through eminent domain.
But the government is most definitely aiding activities that force people from their homes. Either by giving incentives for landlords to raise rent, or raising property taxes artificially. From top to bottom this is foul play.
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Old 04-13-2016, 03:39 PM
 
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Yes they do. Not every predominately black neighborhood has public housing. This is false. There are only about 3-4 housing projects in a given city, yet there are dozen of black neighorhoods in any given city. Who do you think owns homes in these cities. Oh yeah, black people do. If the whole basis of your argument is that only blacks in public housing is being displaced, you are wrong.
I never stated that there aren't black homeowners, just the examples you gave were about renters. the people in DC that you used as an example did not own their homes. n fact the government owns the property and the houses.

And there is a lot more than 3-4 housing projects in most cities. Even then a vast majority of affordable housing is actually owned by private sector developers that use tax credit financing from the government to pay for the construction.

You should be concerned about people having decent housing and the lack of decent affordable housing in many cities. However, you're blame is misdirected and your concern doesn't mesh with what's at the very core of economic libertarianism.
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Old 04-13-2016, 03:43 PM
 
Location: Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
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I never stated that there aren't black homeowners, just the examples you gave were about renters. the people in DC that you used as an example did not own their homes. n fact the government owns the property and the houses.

And there is a lot more than 3-4 housing projects in most cities. Even then a vast majority of affordable housing is actually owned by private sector developers that use tax credit financing from the government to pay for the construction.

You should be concerned about people having decent housing and the lack of decent affordable housing in many cities. However, you're blame is misdirected and your concern doesn't mesh with what's at the very core of economic libertarianism.
In the examples I gave perhaps not. But yes blacks are being kicked out of DC, and this is being done by the government. And yes anytime the government interferes in the market, it is foul play, and anti-capitalist and anti-Libertarinism. The market is not setting prices, this goes against Libertarianism and capitalism.
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Old 04-13-2016, 03:47 PM
 
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But the government is most definitely aiding activities that force people from their homes. Either by giving incentives for landlords to raise rent, or raising property taxes artificially. From top to bottom this is foul play.
Landlords don't need "incentives" from the government to raise rents. It's whatever the market will bear. And higher property values equate to higher property taxes.

I know what it's like to have to move because of this phenomenon. I have been priced out of the town that I've lived in for 32 years. I'm moving to a cheaper town this summer.

But none of this is due to eminent domain. It's supply and demand.
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